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NotAllowedToNameAnything.Ever.
May 4th, 2005, 03:50 AM
Okay we have seen the wraith darts take on and drop of a handful of poeple, however they don't look big enough to me to carry that many people. Could the darts keep them in somesort of data storage?

Second when people do matrialize would they still have any weapons or tech that isn't wraith made. Or could it possably stun you. If not why didnt summner and teyla try and take the wraith once on the hive ship.

the Fifth Race
May 4th, 2005, 03:57 AM
I was thinking the samething when I saw the Wraith darts pick up dozens of people at a clip, yet there ships look barely big enough to hold more than a few. Although the Puddle Jumpers (McKays GateShips :D ) look like they can only hold a few people yet they cram a dozen or so if they have to in them.

Maybe the Wraith's are beaming the people dirctly to a hive mother ship, instead of into the actual Dart?.

pleed
May 4th, 2005, 04:55 AM
i'm sure the Wraith aren't too concerned with the comfort of their passengers, so they can probably squeeze half a dozen or so in, but I assumed they have a 'mother ship' that they transport people too via their Dart ships.

As for their weapons, Sure they would have them, it would make sense for the beams to dematerialise matter on one end, then re-materialise it on the other end. Weapons are matter aren't they?

Anubis69
May 4th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Maybe it's a bit like the teleportation beam used in urgo because that disarmed them if i remember right. or maybe it just teleports the "traveller" to the hive ship and renders them unconscience where their weapons are removed by a wraith soldier.

6thMonolith
May 4th, 2005, 03:38 PM
http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/ships/w/wraithdart.shtml

Personally, I think that the passengers are stored as energy, like an event horizon. Hey, the wraith language is a derivitive of Ancient, who says they havn't stolen any tech?

spg_1983
May 4th, 2005, 04:17 PM
their beaming technology is actually pretty primitive. it doesnt seem to lock on to targets, just sweep by and pick up everything in their path so i think its probably unlikely it disarms them, but it probably renders people unconciouss. the darts seem to be about the same size as the jumpers so id imagine that they would hold about the same amount of people. as far as the whole storing them as energy thing goes, i dont think so. that seems, to me at least, a bit to advanced for what we have seen of their beaming technology. what we really need to see for a decent appraisel of their beaming technology is to see how advanced the Ancients in pegasus' beaming technology was since it has been implied that they may have gotten their tech at least partially from the Ancients

Elite Anubis Guard
May 6th, 2005, 10:11 AM
Maybe the Wraith's are beaming the people dirctly to a hive mother ship, instead of into the actual Dart?.

Sounds about right, and logical.

_Owen_
May 6th, 2005, 10:52 AM
It is possible that they could store them as energy, but they don't beam them directly to the hive ship, because in some cases, like rising part two, there isn't a hive ship there.

I don't think that there is enough space in the darts to hold all of those people. Even though the Puddle Jumper is small it is also cylidrical, and pretty much has constant dimensions. The Wraith Dart slopes to the front, and by the shape of it, it does look like it could only hold a couple people.

Owen Macri

~Thor~
May 6th, 2005, 10:12 PM
They probably made the beam sweep so that they could pick up multiple people at once.


their beaming technology is actually pretty primitive. it doesnt seem to lock on to targets, just sweep by and pick up everything in their path so i think its probably unlikely it disarms them, but it probably renders people unconciouss. the darts seem to be about the same size as the jumpers so id imagine that they would hold about the same amount of people. as far as the whole storing them as energy thing goes, i dont think so. that seems, to me at least, a bit to advanced for what we have seen of their beaming technology. what we really need to see for a decent appraisel of their beaming technology is to see how advanced the Ancients in pegasus' beaming technology was since it has been implied that they may have gotten their tech at least partially from the Ancients

Purpleyin
May 7th, 2005, 04:54 AM
I have to say that I subscribe to the theory the wraith beaming works similarly to Ancient gate or transporter tech. It obviously isn't as advanced, given that it simply sweeps up but it doesn't seem too different which makes it plausible to me that the Wraith stole and hacked Ancient devices.

Other than that the Wraith technology in general seems pretty advanced given that they seem to only be in Pegasus galaxy and that the most advanced races they've encountered would be us from Earth and previousy the Ancients. Yet they obviously haven't got all of it from the Ancients technology otherwise they probably wouldn't have such inefficient hyperdrives compared to those on Atlantis.

An interesting twist on how and why the Wraith might have advanced and even got some Ancient like tech would be that they not only such life but memories and knowledge. Complete speculation but it could explain a few things.

_Owen_
May 7th, 2005, 10:11 AM
I disagree that the Wraith Transporter technology is primitve. You are all assuming that because it sweeps and doesn't lock onto people that it is primitve. However I do not believe that this is the case, the Wraith Transporters sweep not because they don't have more advanced technology, but because it is more efficient for what they are using them for.

Darts are commonly used simply to pick up food, if they had to lock onto people it would deffinetly take longer, and it might be difficult if they wern't moving, they would also need more advanced sensors which are of no use other than transporting people, if the transporters sweep, they can just come in find a group of people, sweep through, and be gone, it is easier and more effective.

If, for example the Wraith commonly beamed out of the Darts onto the surface, then, perhaps "locking transporters" may become a possibility, however they don't. It is far easier just to fly in and pick people up rather than find people, get a positive lock, which would be difficult on a moving target, not to mention they would need more advanced sensors, they might also only be able to beam up so many people, with sweepin technology, theoretically they can beam up incredibly large groups of people, until the buffer is full. Why do it the hard way when the easy way is just as good if not beter.

Owen Macri

spg_1983
May 7th, 2005, 08:24 PM
I disagree that the Wraith Transporter technology is primitve. You are all assuming that because it sweeps and doesn't lock onto people that it is primitve. However I do not believe that this is the case, the Wraith Transporters sweep not because they don't have more advanced technology, but because it is more efficient for what they are using them for.

Darts are commonly used simply to pick up food, if they had to lock onto people it would deffinetly take longer, and it might be difficult if they wern't moving, they would also need more advanced sensors which are of no use other than transporting people, if the transporters sweep, they can just come in find a group of people, sweep through, and be gone, it is easier and more effective.

If, for example the Wraith commonly beamed out of the Darts onto the surface, then, perhaps "locking transporters" may become a possibility, however they don't. It is far easier just to fly in and pick people up rather than find people, get a positive lock, which would be difficult on a moving target, not to mention they would need more advanced sensors, they might also only be able to beam up so many people, with sweepin technology, theoretically they can beam up incredibly large groups of people, until the buffer is full. Why do it the hard way when the easy way is just as good if not beter.

Owen Macri
how do you figure chasing people down and sweeping them up is better? its slow and inefficient and if someone is nimble enough they can avoid it like teyla did by tackling ford oiut of the way in "Rising" now beaming technology would be much more efficient, especially for their needs. the hive ships arrive in orbit and deploy darts. the people dont see this because they are primitive. the darts descend using the advanced scanners you say are worthless, and identify which are the most choice subjects. they lock on and beam all they want on board before the humans panic and scatter and the entire operation is done in a matter ogf a half an hour, hour tops, not the day long chase the humans around through the woods crap they do now.

_Owen_
May 8th, 2005, 10:52 AM
That is true, however that idea would be far more effective if the darts just came through hovered above somewhere and beamed people in, however this would take longer. The darts would have to come through, find a good position, hover, search for people with the sensors that are not necesary, then beam them up, and got back through the gate. With the sweeping transporters, they can just come through the gate, activate thier sweepers, fly over the villages a couple times and go back through the gate, no stopping at all. And my previous point that the more advanced sensors, the more advanced unecesary sensors, are just another thing they have to build, like I said before why do it the hard way...

Also, a little off topic, but it is nice to have sweeping sensors for a change, in star trek and stuff they all just beam people up from orbit, the Wraith are more "hands on," pun intended.

Also the Asgard use sweeping transporter to beam up the Goa'uld, they are a little more advanced the differentiate between Goa'ulds and humans, like the device that transports to the hammer. The Asgard use sweeping sensors because they are more effective for thier purpose, they scan the people also, they just seem more effective than traditional beaming transporters.


Owen Macri

gatelover12
May 8th, 2005, 11:46 AM
the darts descend using the advanced scanners you say are worthless, and identify which are the most choice subjects.
you want the "choice speicimins" to survive to add their genectic makeup to the population theirby making better "tasting" humans if you beam all the choice speicimins away the less tasty remainder will be left and overtime become horrible tasting due to all the supeirior genes being removed every few generations while the "sludge" remains IMHO :) (BTW i'd be sludge)

_Owen_
May 8th, 2005, 03:06 PM
You would definetly have to leave some, choice specimens, however, there would always be poeple more "choice" than others. What I believe spg_1983 means by "choice specimens" is young, healthy people compared to old, dying people.

Owen Macri

gatelover12
May 8th, 2005, 03:46 PM
You would definetly have to leave some, choice specimens, however, there would always be poeple more "choice" than others. What I believe spg_1983 means by "choice specimens" is young, healthy people compared to old, dying people.

Owen Macri
point taken maybe I was a little rude

_Owen_
May 8th, 2005, 04:22 PM
I didn't think you were rude, did I seem rude? I didn't think you were rude at all.

Owen Macri

NotAllowedToNameAnything.Ever.
May 8th, 2005, 09:31 PM
Anyone notice that the wraith scanners or simular to the old asgard transporters. (i thopught about it once why there where two types of asgard transporters then I realized that the ones on planets had probably been there for thousands of years. the ones on the ships of course would be newer design.) They also seem simular to the acshen platforms.

As far as them being primative. There not. There designed like a net for a reason. The wraith dart moves at amazing speed for one. And the ancients don't even have tech like this that we know of. All there transporter technology you have to walk into. No pilot would have time to fly the dart and operate a transporter at the same time to pick off targets indivdually. (Only the asgard transporters can lock onto a target from a distance. Ancients, aschen, and furrlings transporters require a person to be in a certain spot.)
In truth the wraiths are perfect for there function. Pick up humans at high speeds. The wraith wouldn't care to much about individuals. There fishing. You want to catch as much as you can and go home. Sit back. Have a little snack.

Now if you can figure out how the nox teleport around. then you have something. But its hard to tell with them what is magic and what is tech.

Jarnin
May 8th, 2005, 10:23 PM
Anyone notice that the wraith scanners or simular to the old asgard transporters. (i thopught about it once why there where two types of asgard transporters then I realized that the ones on planets had probably been there for thousands of years. the ones on the ships of course would be newer design.) They also seem simular to the acshen platforms.
The Asgard teleporters used to work exactly like the Wraith beams. I mean, up until they stopped using the old Biliskner class cruiser. Once they got the new O'Neill cruisers, they started using transporters that behave much more like Star Trek transporters, where they deposit you whereever, with limited beam movement. They also used to sound completely different; They almost sounded like a baby crying in reverse. Now they just sort of go "Whoosh".


Now if you can figure out how the nox teleport around. then you have something. But its hard to tell with them what is magic and what is tech.
Magic is technology people don't understand.

Are the Nox actually teleporting? I don't recall them teleporting, just turning invisible. I mean, if you turn invisible, run somewhere and then become visible, it might look like you're teleporting but you aren't.

Anubis69
May 9th, 2005, 06:39 AM
Magic is technology people don't understand.

Are the Nox actually teleporting? I don't recall them teleporting, just turning invisible. I mean, if you turn invisible, run somewhere and then become visible, it might look like you're teleporting but you aren't.
You've got a point. i was never sure whether their teleportation was actual tech or "powers" like the ascended have. like in "pretense" where Lya teleports SG-1 to the ion cannon they're all crouching down and when they reappear they're walking towards it. this would imply that they became invisible and walked but i could be wrong.

_Owen_
May 9th, 2005, 12:32 PM
The Asgard teleporters used to work exactly like the Wraith beams. I mean, up until they stopped using the old Biliskner class cruiser. Once they got the new O'Neill cruisers, they started using transporters that behave much more like Star Trek transporters, where they deposit you whereever, with limited beam movement. They also used to sound completely different; They almost sounded like a baby crying in reverse. Now they just sort of go "Whoosh".


Magic is technology people don't understand.

Are the Nox actually teleporting? I don't recall them teleporting, just turning invisible. I mean, if you turn invisible, run somewhere and then become visible, it might look like you're teleporting but you aren't.
The Asgard transporters are still capable of "sweeping" to pick up stuff, however they only use this for large things or groups of people, like in "Thors' Chariot" they don't need it to transport individual people, and that is pretty much all they have been used for latley.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
May 9th, 2005, 12:40 PM
Now if you can figure out how the nox teleport around. then you have something. But its hard to tell with them what is magic and what is tech.

It seems as though the Nox have some unseen natural ability, in other words, they can do it with thier minds, we already know that they are pretty much telepathic. Another possiblity is that the Nox have some sort of technology in one of thier cities, and they use thier telepathy to tell whoever runs it to beam whatever they want to, wherever they want to. Another possibility is that they have some sort of brain implant that allows them to make things invisible, transport things, and read others minds, among other things. It is hard to say, there are many possibilies, we might never know. I think eventually we will go back to the Nox homeworld.

Owen Macri

NotAllowedToNameAnything.Ever.
May 10th, 2005, 03:29 AM
nox transporters don't work from city thats for sure. (they couldnt bring the boy to the others when he was killed.) meaning they have some limit on range.


lya deffently transported them to the ion cannon. first they where in the city then in the woods. it was deffently not an illision she cast since t operated the cannon.

SeaBee
May 10th, 2005, 04:58 AM
I have always thought that the Nox teleport using the power of their minds rather than teleporting by use of technology. It seems to be more than just making something invisible, otherwise Jacks homemade arrow would have hit Apophis. Lya definately teleports the weapons out of the security details hands in "Enigma" to prevent them from shooting the Tollen, but whether or not there is a distance limit I'm not sure. It looked to me to possibly be more like phasing, like the Re'tu.

aAnubiSs
May 10th, 2005, 05:34 AM
One thing has always bothered me, do we even know that the Nox use teleportation and not just a cloak/phase-shift? That way they could walk without being seen or able to be damaged. Also it seems more likely that this is the case instead of a single person transporting a group of people(and Ion Cannon) to a location. Lya would need some serious power to transport the Tollan from Earth to the Nox Homeworld(Enigma)

EDIT: maybe I should've read SeeBee's post :)

_Owen_
May 11th, 2005, 01:58 PM
nox transporters don't work from city thats for sure. (they couldnt bring the boy to the others when he was killed.) meaning they have some limit on range.


lya deffently transported them to the ion cannon. first they where in the city then in the woods. it was deffently not an illision she cast since t operated the cannon.
I am sorry I completly forgot those situations when they wern't on the Nox homeworld.

Owen Macri

_Owen_
May 11th, 2005, 02:01 PM
I have always thought that the Nox teleport using the power of their minds rather than teleporting by use of technology. It seems to be more than just making something invisible, otherwise Jacks homemade arrow would have hit Apophis. Lya definately teleports the weapons out of the security details hands in "Enigma" to prevent them from shooting the Tollen, but whether or not there is a distance limit I'm not sure. It looked to me to possibly be more like phasing, like the Re'tu.
I agree, it seems like the Nox use some sort of natural power rather than technology, it is one of the more mysterious things about them, if we get the opporunity to revist them, perhaps for a longer period of time (if the Asgard have accepted use, maybe the Nox will too, plus the Asgard could put in a good word) it would be interesting to see how how thier technology actualy works and to learn about thier history.

Owen Macri

GODEATER
May 3rd, 2007, 03:48 AM
It has been mentioned that the Wraith transporter beams seem to be very similar to the Thors Hammer/Charriot episodes. Therefore, have both Wraith and the Asgard come up with the same solution or do you think that the ancients gave the Asgard an helping hand with technology?.

Artus
May 3rd, 2007, 10:13 AM
this is from wikipedia

"As the main mission role of a Dart is to cull humans, they are equipped with transport beams that sweep over the ground, de-materializing every person which comes into the beam without harming them. The beams have also been used to transport Wraith soldiers to and from the surface of a planet, serving as a troop transport in addition to a culling craft. The culling beam can also be used to scan targets, presumably for life forms to be transported."

i also am nearly 100% sure that people are dematerialized and not transported to a hold in the dart like most here seemed to have assumed

think back to the episode "duet" people didnt it not specifically say that people are dematerialized and stored in a buffer

VSHARMA
May 5th, 2007, 04:56 AM
Any1 played Hunger Hunger Hippo?

Vala_M
May 5th, 2007, 05:01 AM
Wow, I can't believe there was this much debate wether the dart trasnports you to a hold (unlikely) or keeps you in energy form! It's obviously the latter as they've transported up whole groups of people and the dart is a small ship.

Vala,

Wraith_Boy
May 5th, 2007, 01:18 PM
i also am nearly 100% sure that people are dematerialized and not transported to a hold in the dart like most here seemed to have assumed

think back to the episode "duet" people didnt it not specifically say that people are dematerialized and stored in a buffer

The problem here is the date that when this thread originally opened!

That was May 2005. 'Duet' didn't anywhere air till Aug 05.

Therefore there is no way people know anything about what would specifically happen or be revealed in upcoming episodes that far behind.