The Stargate Nitpicker's Thread! Faults in Stargate

[Serpent Guard]

First off, my apologies if this has already been done or if this is old hat on the board.

It seems every fandom has some sort of "Nitpicker's Guild" of sorts, be it official or not. Star Trek indeed has one, I've got a book entitled "The Nitpicker's Guide to Star Trek: TNG". "Nitpicking" doesn't mean you dislike the franchise, or always look for mistakes in a show. Most "nits" people don't even notice the first time around--if at all. Some you may not even realize until later. All in all, it can be fun to point out little mistakes in the show, be it production errors (such as a boom mike accidentally being in the scene), plot errors (changed premises, flip-flopping of facts), or some other kind.

Let's see if we can point some out that others may not have noticed, or even ones that everyone has. Who knows, maybe someone knows an answer to the "why" or "how" of the nit, thus giving it an excuse to be there. Otherwise, it would simply be something to look for and give a chuckle the next time we watch the show the nit appears in. :D I'll kick it off:


In "The Serpent's Lair" (among other episodes), ever notice how when someone--Daniel, in this instance--is placed in a sarcophagus for rejuvenation, when they emerge, their clothing is repaired too? In this episode, Daniel is clearly hit with a staff weapon blast to his left chest/upper abdomen area, leaving a bloody hole where he got hit. Later, after O'Neill and the rest of SG-1 leave Klorel's ship, Daniel crawls into the sarcophagus to repair himself. Later when he emerges, his clothes look brand new, no blood stains or anything! Who needs a washing machine when you have a sarcophagus!? :p
In many episodes, Carter's hairstyle will change from one scene to the next--even during a dialogue scene. I can just see it now, during briefing: "If you'll excuse me, General, I need to go redo my hair before the camera points at me again...".
How come in later episodes of SG-1, most Jaffa don't wear the ornate "beast head-dress" anymore (ie, Apophis' Jaffa had serpent heads)? Just wasn't in the budget, eh? Disappointing, I thought they were kinda cool.


That's some to get us started, does anyone else have any? :)

[omnian]

Its sort of insignificant really but what I don't understand is why off-world gates make the spinning sound when they're dialled up or dialling out when they're not actually spinning! Like I said, insignificant but just something that bugs me, lol.

[Serpent Guard]

Its sort of insignificant really but what I don't understand is why off-world gates make the spinning sound when they're dialled up or dialling out when they're not actually spinning! Like I said, insignificant but just something that bugs me, lol.

That's a great example! I've noticed that too...

[SeaBee]

Here's one to go and look at, if you've got the vid.

"In the Line of Duty".
SC hugs Cassie, and she's wearing a watch. The scene cuts to a close-up of Cass, then back to Sam, and the watch has gone!

Hail Cassie, ace pick-pocket! :D

[Sir Ruff]

During the week between Nemesis and Small victories Carters hair grow was quite fast.. don't you think?

I have plenty of these, but they never come into mind when I try to type them... So I add more later..

[omnian]

During the week between Nemesis and Small victories Carters hair grow was quite fast.. don't you think?

I have plenty of these, but they never come into mind when I try to type them... So I add more later..

Yes! And on a similar note, Teal'c's little beard was somewhat very neat wasn't it?

[Jprime]

Also, about the Jaffa helmets... I always though that only Apothis' personal guards were allowed the luxury of helmets (let the others get plastic surgery with a staff weapon I say!) ;)

[Sir Ruff]

Yes! And on a similar note, Teal'c's little beard was somewhat very neat wasn't it?

Yeah.. What if he had been growing it for a month or two... :p


Also, about the Jaffa helmets... I always though that only Apothis' personal guards were allowed the luxury of helmets (let the others get plastic surgery with a staff weapon I say!) ;)


I miss them serpentguard guys. their snake helmets were just cool... Maybe they don't have the money or the will to do helmets anymore.. But think how cool would anubis's guards with helmets be?


http://www.fursuit.org/faq/images/sec08/anubis-leather.jpg http://special.zonnet.nl/aom/images/anubis.jpg
COOL... :cool:

[joshing123]

I miss them serpentguard guys. their snake helmets were just cool... Maybe they don't have the money or the will to do helmets anymore.. But think how cool would anubis's guards with helmets be?




I think the problem actually was the weight and discomfort of the helmets. They looked good, but were a b*tch for the actors to wear.

[KokiriChild]

I think the problem actually was the weight and discomfort of the helmets. They looked good, but were a b*tch for the actors to wear.
That's what they get paid for!

The off-world gate bugs me to hell, and the fact that whenever a kawoosh is about to take place the gate gives off 2 little warning sirens (like a glurk-glurk noise)... Why? Does it have built-in speakers?

[Anthro Girl]

From what I understood of the big Jaffa helmets in the series, they were awkward to use. Personally, I always found them to be a little silly compared to the ones in the movie, which were CG. I can understand if they couldn't do that regularly on a TV budget.

I love how the zat always knocks everyone out cold on the first shot, except SG-1. They just get a little wonky. :D

[RubySlippers]

How come even when she's been cryogenically-deep-frozen like a chicken and then fast-thawed or working in a sweat-shop 'Beneath the Surface' Carter's make-up still looks as fresh as if it was only applied a couple of hours ago?


"I know the pressure-gague is in the red and it's dangerously high and lots of people could die if I don't fix it in the next thirty seconds Sir, but if I go anywhere near piping hot steam my mascara will run."

:D

[KokiriChild]

Because she's actually very lucky, in that when she passed through the gate it thought her makeup was part of her...wwll, "makeup" and permanantly pressed it onto her face, meaning no matter how bad the situation she will never need to re-apply...

(maybe she's born with it, maybe it's Mayballine)

[KokiriChild]

aaaaand another thing - why are all the offworld gates embeded in some kinda rock?

[Skydiver]

the off world gates

there's a simple practical fact that the off-world gate is really transported in 4 parts on the back of a truck, to be reassembled onsite. that's why it doesn't spin...it can't because it's in pieces

[KokiriChild]

Yeah, we know why it doesn't spin (as in the actual reason), so why does it make the noises and then not do it visually - they couldda skipped the noises!

[Livi2Jack]

In Jolinar's Memories, Teal'c exits the cell block using his id card but it has the magnetic strip away from the id reader, yet the door opens anyway.

[Torley]

I'm wondering about something: in the Season five opener "Enemies", Teal'c says something to the effect of only human weapons will have an effect on the invading Replicators. Are Jaffa not human, despite their pouches?

Also on Gateworld itself... why is Junior listed in the Enemies section of the Avatar? Obviously it's a Goa'uld symbiote but there must have been an episode I missed pertaining to this?

[GuyFromOH]

I'm wondering about something: in the Season five opener "Enemies", Teal'c says something to the effect of only human weapons will have an effect on the invading Replicators. Are Jaffa not human, despite their pouches?

I think the Asgard's point was that only primitive weapons would work, the Jaffa, as close to human as they may be, use particle based weaponry, such as the Zat-gun and Staff Weapon.

[GuyFromOH]

In Jolinar's Memories, Teal'c exits the cell block using his id card but it has the magnetic strip away from the id reader, yet the door opens anyway.

Maybe the SGC uses a combination of magnetic and RF-based security cards. At my old job, to get through important doors, we had cards with built in circuitry that when placed simply next to the sensor, would open or not open the door, based on our clearance. Maybe the SGC's security system uses both methods of card reading as a redundancy. For example, who knows what kind of weird electromagnetic events that could happen in the SGC would destroy the RF-based part of the card but leave the magnetic stripe intact, or vice-versa? Maybe the magnetic-stripe part is only used to get in the parking lot.

[GuyFromOH]

Yeah, we know why it doesn't spin (as in the actual reason), so why does it make the noises and then not do it visually - they couldda skipped the noises!

Maybe the noises that we hear are not the StarGate spinning, but from internal parts moving around. It is just coincidence that those noises happen at the same time that it spins (or doesn't spin)

Also maybe the only reason that the SGC StarGate spins is because of the way the human-built dialer works. We know that you can dial a stargate without a DHD, but you have to spin the thing manually to do it. Perhaps the SGC home-brew dialer simply simulates a person spinning it, so it is a necessary part of that gate, but not ones with a DHD. We have seen off-world gates spin, but only when someone is manually spinning it. (That someone seems to be Teal'c, what a champ)

[Torley]

Oh, that's right GuyFromOH... I guess that makes sense, like you said in another thread, that Teal'c does not call himself human ... like how Han Solo calls himself Corellian.

Why haven't they come up with a staff weapon that can rapid fire or do multidirectional scatter-shots? You'd think it would be of greater importance for someone like Teal'c when he is dealing with multiple enemy Jaffa coming from all sides at once. Otherwise, I notice he seems to be pretty adept with Tau'ri weapons, but still...

[GuyFromOH]

aaaaand another thing - why are all the offworld gates embeded in some kinda rock?

Not only that, but there seems to be some common "ground level" for the stargates, ie, it is always partly stuck in rock or the ground, so how did the SGC know how high to build the ramp? Why doesn't the hand-rail on the StarGate ramp get partly eaten by the event-horizon of the wormhole during stabilization?

[Torley]

Question, maybe this has already been covered but I don't know: What happens if someone gets hit and touched by the initial "SPLOOSH!!" of the Stargate exploding outwards when a wormhole is established?

[GuyFromOH]

I love how the zat always knocks everyone out cold on the first shot, except SG-1. They just get a little wonky. :D

Maybe the members of SG1 have built up a resistance to the EM charge of the Zat-Gun, since they have all been shot by them about 999 times. The whole concept of the Zat's Stun/Kill/Disintegrate thing is very flawed. I recall they disintegrated objects lying on the floor, why doesn't the floor get partly disintegrated too?

[GuyFromOH]

Question, maybe this has already been covered but I don't know: What happens if someone gets hit and touched by the initial "SPLOOSH!!" of the Stargate exploding outwards when a wormhole is established?

Any object in the splashes path is disintegrated. They showed this while SG1 was on a prison-colony (prisoners thought it was a way to escape), and again at a Jaffa and/or Tok'Ra funeral at the Alpha-Site, where they put the dead bodies in front of the gate, and dialed it, similar to cremating the bodies.

[Torley]

Haha... shades of Wormhole X-Treme!... like how they said about being able to pass through objects but not fall through the floor.

Tough floors?!

[GuyFromOH]

Haha... shades of Wormhole X-Treme!... like how they said about being able to pass through objects but not fall through the floor.

Tough floors?!

That whole floor-thing has always drivin me nuts, almost every Sci-Fi show has had an "out-of-phase" episode, but the people never go through the floor. The ONLY time I have ever seen that issue addressed was in an episode of AquaTeenHungerForce, ("Dumber Days" 01x14), in this episode, MeatWad gets smart, then invents an "Antimater Eliminator" which allowed MasterShake to pass through walls (even though it was just an eggbeater with glitter and the number "6" written on it) For a second or two, MasterShake started to pass through the floor, but it seemed like it was his own concentration that prevented him from falling through. So, using AquaTeenHungerForce as a dependable scientific reference, maybe people who are out of phase can pass though walls and other people because that is a notion concievable by the subconscience, but people always seem pretty sure about their floor, so maybe it's all about mind-over-matter.

[GuyFromOH]

Oh, that's right GuyFromOH... I guess that makes sense, like you said in another thread, that Teal'c does not call himself human ... like how Han Solo calls himself Corellian.

Why haven't they come up with a staff weapon that can rapid fire or do multidirectional scatter-shots? You'd think it would be of greater importance for someone like Teal'c when he is dealing with multiple enemy Jaffa coming from all sides at once. Otherwise, I notice he seems to be pretty adept with Tau'ri weapons, but still...

He seems to like the M-249, which (as far as weapons of the Tau'ri go) seems to fit him pretty well.

[GuyFromOH]

In "The Serpent's Lair" (among other episodes), ever notice how when someone--Daniel, in this instance--is placed in a sarcophagus for rejuvenation, when they emerge, their clothing is repaired too? In this episode, Daniel is clearly hit with a staff weapon blast to his left chest/upper abdomen area, leaving a bloody hole where he got hit. Later, after O'Neill and the rest of SG-1 leave Klorel's ship, Daniel crawls into the sarcophagus to repair himself. Later when he emerges, his clothes look brand new, no blood stains or anything! Who needs a washing machine when you have a sarcophagus!? :p




Well, In Season 6, I think Jack is placed in a Sarcophagus and his clothes are not healed, but with that exception aside...
Many parts of the human body are not living, your hair is dead, it only lives underneath the skin, and the outer layer of your skin (epidermis) is actually a layer of dead skin cells. So maybe the Sarcophagus's are able not only to restore health to wounded people, but it is able to restore organic material back to the way it was before it was damaged. It looks at your skin, and restores the epidermis, even though it is not living, and then looks at your shirt, detects the rip, and repairs the organic material back the way it thinks it should be. It also can remove blood stains because it is able to detect that the blood came from inside the body and doesn't belong on the shirt.

[Torley]

I wonder if the Sarcophagus makes your clothes power-hungry too. Imagine using it as a washer & dryer combo... angry blue jeans!!! :$

But seriously, was it the case that Apophis used a Sarcophagus on Teal'c before the events of "Enemies" because he was presumed dead? I forget the exact dialog but I DO remember a hole in the back of his shirt where the Jaffa staff had earlier blasted him.

[GuyFromOH]

I wonder if the Sarcophagus makes your clothes power-hungry too. Imagine using it as a washer & dryer combo... angry blue jeans!!! :$

But seriously, was it the case that Apophis used a Sarcophagus on Teal'c before the events of "Enemies" because he was presumed dead? I forget the exact dialog but I DO remember a hole in the back of his shirt where the Jaffa staff had earlier blasted him.

Maybe it depends on how long you are in the Sarcophagus as to whether it fixes your clothes, kinda like a Rare/Medium/Well-Done kinda thing. Rare would bring you back to life and make sure you don't die, Medium will fix your body and make sure you are back to normal, and Well-Done will treat your clothing, make you healthier, and cause madness

[Torley]

Ha, in other words a Sarcophagus is NO worse than a Tau'ri tanning bed. Except for that clothing part.

[Serpent Guard]

Maybe it depends on how long you are in the Sarcophagus as to whether it fixes your clothes, kinda like a Rare/Medium/Well-Done kinda thing. Rare would bring you back to life and make sure you don't die, Medium will fix your body and make sure you are back to normal, and Well-Done will treat your clothing, make you healthier, and cause madness

The thing about that is, in "The Serpent's Lair", Daniel only had what was it, about 6 minutes or less to spend in the sarcophagus before the ship went kablooey?

Other things I've noticed:


Teal'c's forehead tatoo seems to smear a bit. Some close-ups it looks very neat and clean, other times it appears that some of the gold paint the make-up person put on it has smudged over onto his skin on the inside of the design. Funny, I thought the thing was supposed to be made of solid gold, not painted on...

I thought only the First Prime Jaffa were supposed to have the gold forehead design? In a number of episodes, you can see more than one Jaffa with this marking in the same scene! I thought the "First Prime" meant like head Jaffa or something? :p

Speaking of First Primes, is it me, or does poor Apophis seem to have a lot of trouble with his First Primes? Seems to have a different one every other show... :p

[Torley]

I believe Christopher Judge has mentioned that he had problems with sweating and that affected the forehead brand.

As for the First Primes, it's not only you who noticed that... :) I think part of it has to do with the fact that Apophis has become increasingly unstable following Teal'c turning against him and increasing rebellion -- which is perhaps one reason why he spared Teal'c life and brainwashed him to serve again later on in the series. I believe maybe none of the other First Primes could live up to Teal'cs example, so Apophis had them killed -- or they died in other ways! Go figure...

BTW, it becomes so obvious how erratic and how much Apophis is losing it at the end of "Enemies"... when you see him do that HILARIOUSLY nervous glance just as he notices the replicators piling up behind him... that was such a funny expression, I had to laugh so hard at how insecure he looked for a "god". Ahhh the shame . . .

[nugglebugget]

In Jolinar's Memories, Teal'c exits the cell block using his id card but it has the magnetic strip away from the id reader, yet the door opens anyway.
Actually,I think that ep was "In the Line of Duty" when "Jolinar" infected "Carter" in the 1st place,but,yeah,I noticed it too.LOL.Personally,I don't think SGC maintenance has been on the ball & it's a defective ID reader{as long as it's a plastic card,it don't matter} Heck,it'd probably take a Wal-mart charge card:D

[Sue_Jackson]

In Demons, there's is one part that's been bothering ever since I've first seen the episode. At the last scene, Sam detects the goa'uld symbiote inside Canon. So, if the goa'uld symbiote that was inside the Unas was inside Canon by the time Jack and Teal'c found them. How come Teal'c didn't detect the goa'uld inside Canon before when Teal'c and Jack found Canon with the dead Unas? Teal'c's larvae goa'uld symbiote shoud be able to detect other goa'uld, right? :confused:


In Secrets, when Teal'c, Daniel and Sha're were running for the Gate. When they hear a Goa'uld mothership, why do they stand there and wait for the Goa'uld to arrive? Instead of waiting for Heru-ur to arrive, they could've gone through the Gate, and save Sha're. They had plenty of time. And, why does Teal'c stop dialing? He had plenty of time to finish dialing the Gate before Heru-ur arrived. :rolleyes:


;) :cool:

[Crazedwraith]

Nit-pick: Seths hand device had a personal sheild.

Yet this is very new tech for the goa'uld even Teal'c had not seen it before as of "Nox" and neither Ra nor Hathor had one and used human children/or SCG personall as a shield.

Yet Seth who was banished around the same time as Hathor has one??
Makes no sense!!

And for the record serpent's lair colth mending is the exception not the rule.

[TheScorpionsSting]

That's what they get paid for!

The off-world gate bugs me to hell, and the fact that whenever a kawoosh is about to take place the gate gives off 2 little warning sirens (like a glurk-glurk noise)... Why? Does it have built-in speakers?

YES...LOL

[KokiriChild]

It just doesn't make sense though - In the gateroom the computer could do it as a warning noise to everyone in the vacinity - but offworld? The thing doesn't even spin, but it still sounds like it does... grrr

[omnian]

I imagine the 'glurk-glurk' is caused by an internal mechanism of the Stargate. It certainly sounds like it at least...

[Teal'c]

Nit-pick: Seths hand device had a personal sheild.

Yet this is very new tech for the goa'uld even Teal'c had not seen it before as of "Nox" and neither Ra nor Hathor had one and used human children/or SCG personall as a shield.

Yet Seth who was banished around the same time as Hathor has one??
Makes no sense!!

And for the record serpent's lair colth mending is the exception not the rule.
You don't think it's possible he left Earth for short periods, pretending to be a different Goa'uld? :P

[Jillybiehn]

Solitudes. Every time I see this ep it absolutely bugs me. Sam is super-smart. She figures out the gate on Earth could have malfunctioned. WHY NOT DIAL ANOTHER GATE BESIDES EARTH'S?! I know, I know, then the ep is over, but it bugs the crap outta me.

"It's my sidearm, I swear." And "No giggling." They do save it, but...

OK, time for a Tylenol. :)

[Serpent Guard]

Solitudes. Every time I see this ep it absolutely bugs me. Sam is super-smart. She figures out the gate on Earth could have malfunctioned. WHY NOT DIAL ANOTHER GATE BESIDES EARTH'S?! I know, I know, then the ep is over, but it bugs the crap outta me.

"It's my sidearm, I swear." And "No giggling." They do save it, but...

OK, time for a Tylenol. :)

YES! That's one of them I forgot to mention when I started this topic, and one of the main ones that made me want to start it. My wife and I were discussing this day before yesteday when we watched the episode. Right after the second attempt to dial earth failed, the first thing I would have done was dial somewhere like Abydos. If that went through, I'd go there and then try earth again. Just seems like common sense. Then again, as you said, if all this happened, then we'd have had a really short episode...

[KokiriChild]

And we'd be screwed for Atlantis - not knowing there was a second gate on Earth. Plus none of the stories with the NID nor the Russians would've worked as well

[Torley]

There's this thing about genius characters -- they often lack common sense and miss simple things, and romantic relationships are bound to make their logic go all loopy! :D

[Jillybiehn]

There's this thing about genius characters -- they often lack common sense and miss simple things, and romantic relationships are bound to make their logic go all loopy! :D

Sorry, all I can see is Amanda on a rant. "You've got a shoelace, a belt buckle and a piece of gum, can't you build us a nuclear reactor?! You used to be McGenius, Mc(can't remember), now you're just...McUseless! I'm stuck on an iceberg with MACGYVER!" :p

[meimei]

In season two's "Secrets" when Sam and Jack are walking down the stairs on the way to the reception, she mentions that Washington is her old stomping grounds. Jack replies "I'm sorry to hear that." When the reporter plays back his recording, Jack's voice says "My condolences".

Bet continuity caught heck on that one.

[Sue_Jackson]

Just watched Urgo. Funniest ep second to Window of Opportunity! :D

Anyway, what do you think Urgo said to Janet when Sam told Urgo that was rude?
May be he said, "Hey....Dr. Fraiser....how about giving me a sponge bath?" LOL! :D :p

[Mio]

The one thing I hate is the inconsistancy of gate dialing.

The SGC gate is the only one that has an excuse for outgoing (They are constantly fiddling with their dialing procedure)

But Incoming wormholes and outgoing from offworld should all be the same.

Sometimes it spins, sometimes it doesn't....urghhhhh.....

[Skydiver]

YES! That's one of them I forgot to mention when I started this topic, and one of the main ones that made me want to start it. My wife and I were discussing this day before yesteday when we watched the episode. Right after the second attempt to dial earth failed, the first thing I would have done was dial somewhere like Abydos. If that went through, I'd go there and then try earth again. Just seems like common sense. Then again, as you said, if all this happened, then we'd have had a really short episode...

actually, i can see where she ws coming from. at that point in time, earth only had one stargate, that they knew of. so, if she wasn't in the sgc, she ws on another planet. plain and simple. hence the trying to keep getting home.

there is also the fact that, to this point, every other planet that they'd been to, that we've seen, were decidedly primitive and would be lacking any sort of medical care, which is what jack needed

plus...sam tends to get tunnel vision, and especially when she's concussed, hypothermic and desperate :)

[omnian]

How about in the first Season when it took an off-world DHD forever to dial into the Earth Stargate? Like the gate would spin up yet the chevrons would take forever to lock and yet when its being done off-world it seems to connect instantly! What's up with that?

This might be kinda vague but I couldn't think of a clearer way to put it, sorry!

[Torley]

How about in the first Season when it took an off-world DHD forever to dial into the Earth Stargate? Like the gate would spin up yet the chevrons would take forever to lock and yet when its being done off-world it seems to connect instantly! What's up with that?

This might be kinda vague but I couldn't think of a clearer way to put it, sorry!


I think it's reasonable to assume that all of that stuff actually does happen, but for continuity and running time purposes, they don't show the whole sequence each time -- it'd be redundant and boring. Kind of like how they only use that fancy wormhole-travel animation with all the sparkles some of the time.

If they did a fully realtime episode of the show though a la "24", things would be different. ;)

[Crazedwraith]

You don't think it's possible he left Earth for short periods, pretending to be a different Goa'uld? :P


Considering the obly gate he Knew about was buried. Yeah? Besides since even You (teal'c) didn't know about thw sheild until "The Nox" then to get he'd have to sneak off while the SGC was in operation. After CotG when Teal'c left Apophis yet Before "Seth" tahts what two years when the SGC would have been guarding the gate?

[Torley]

Hey, I have another nitpick:

Why is it that in the very first few episodes, when SG-1 crosses through the gate, on the other side they come out all sweaty and wet-looking -- which makes sense because the Stargate looks like a swimming pool with goop -- but in later episodes, they are totally dry? And why do they close the gate so fast behind them in a number of episodes before they've had a chance to evaluate any potential threats?

[Teal'c]

Considering the obly gate he Knew about was buried. Yeah? Besides since even You (teal'c) didn't know about thw sheild until "The Nox" then to get he'd have to sneak off while the SGC was in operation. After CotG when Teal'c left Apophis yet Before "Seth" tahts what two years when the SGC would have been guarding the gate?
Gate? Who said anything about a gate? You see, there're these wacky inventions called spaceships! :P

[KokiriChild]

Gate? Who said anything about a gate? You see, there're these wacky inventions called spaceships! :P
Well done, master of the obvious :P

[Torley]

Puddle jumper... had to happen sooner or later.

[GuyFromOH]

Hey, I have another nitpick:

Why is it that in the very first few episodes, when SG-1 crosses through the gate, on the other side they come out all sweaty and wet-looking -- which makes sense because the Stargate looks like a swimming pool with goop -- but in later episodes, they are totally dry? And why do they close the gate so fast behind them in a number of episodes before they've had a chance to evaluate any potential threats?
That could be related to the same reason that the whole SGC used to shake when they used to dial, but that went away. They explained that when they found the second gate, it was causing feedback or something, so maybe they were just scared because with all that feedback, the trip would have been pretty rough.

[Torley]

Hmmm good point... I think it definitely looked dramatic the first few times, but after that I guess the effect wears off like the colorful wormhole travel sequence so they find a way to explain it away with story. Works for me :)

[Skydiver]

Hey, I have another nitpick:

Why is it that in the very first few episodes, when SG-1 crosses through the gate, on the other side they come out all sweaty and wet-looking -- which makes sense because the Stargate looks like a swimming pool with goop -- but in later episodes, they are totally dry? And why do they close the gate so fast behind them in a number of episodes before they've had a chance to evaluate any potential threats?


there's a practical reason....that effect costs money so they stopped doing it.

it's created by spraying parafin on the actors, making it look like 'frost'

got to be too much of a pain, so they stopped using it

[Torley]

Thanks Skydiver. I also thought it had something to do with money, like... the Serpent Guards? But it was just an observation. Always good when they can weave it into the story somehow, saying the rides have become more stable due to more advanced tech. or something ;)

[MAJKawalsky]

Anyone else bothered by the fact that neither Colonel O'Neill nor Major Carter, both qualified pilots, wear aviator wings? Yes, they wear missile/space command badges but those are for folks who worked in the missile silos and at Vandenburg.

Major Kawalsky's rank in CotG. On his BDUs, he had Captain's bars.

All the Air Force personnel on the Prometheus and not a single Sailor to be seen.

Only Air Force Personnel and Marines in the SGC. Where's the Army FCOL?

The SGC's apparent disregard for Constitutional Law. Their involvement against Seth, in surveillance on U.S. Citizens, and undercover work in "Nightwalkers" are clear violations of Posse Contamis Act.

[Rhydderch Hael]

"His eyes glowed. That was our first clue."

So says Jack in the pilot episode, when talking about Ra being an alien. All well and dandy, but that was Doc Jackson's first clue. You see, in the movie Jack never actually saw Ra's eyes glow. Heck, Jack only sees Ra twice: the initial encounter in the throne room, and the execution.

[KokiriChild]

People talk - Daniel couldda told him

[LoneStar1836]

Anyone else bothered by the fact that neither Colonel O'Neill nor Major Carter, both qualified pilots, wear aviator wings? Yes, they wear missile/space command badges but those are for folks who worked in the missile silos and at Vandenburg.
You're not the only one. I've always wondered why they never wore their wings. We know Jack is a pilot and were lead to believe that Carter was an experienced pilot (unless those flight hours she claimed during the 1st Iraq war were spent as part of an air crew like on AWACS or a C-130 transport or something). According to USAF regs (http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/airforce/a/afdresspart2.htm) they are required to wear earned aeronautical badges. (The parachutist badge does not count in Jack's case according to chapter 9 of AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 11-402 (http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/pubfiles/af/11/afi11-402/afi11-402.pdf))

They wear the space/missle command badges because the Cheyenne Mt. command falls under the operation of the 21st Space Wing (http://www.peterson.af.mil/21sw/index.htm) which is based at Peterson Air Force Base, Colorado. (Or in real life it does) Peterson also serves as the HQ for Air Force Space Command (http://www.peterson.af.mil/hqafspc/) and NORAD.

Feel free to correct if my above info is incorrect or skewwed. Some of that military jargon is over my head. I'm not in the military, saw the above question and didn't have anything better to do, so I decided to see if I could find an answer on the internet.


Major Kawalsky's rank in CotG. On his BDUs, he had Captain's bars.
I never noticed this until I read it on someother nitpicker's site, but what I really want to know is why Jack and Carter don't wear their rank and name on the blue/green uniforms they wear on base. I know those are not official BDUs (or don't think they are since that is what all the unnamed, camo clad airman wear around the base), but they are officers and shouldn't they still have to follow regs. I'm sure they don't wear the standard issue because TBTB didn't want them running around in camo all the time or that's what I think.

All the Air Force personnel on the Prometheus and not a single Sailor to be seen.

Only Air Force Personnel and Marines in the SGC. Where's the Army FCOL?

It's an Air Force project. Is the Prometheus actually designated a ship (has the U.S.S. in front of its name)? Course it is like an air craft carrier since it launches X-302 gliders. Maybe TPTB don't like the Navy. Can't ever recall if the Navy has ever been represented on the show.

You would think all the branches would want representation in a project like this. (Well except for the Coast Guard.) It could be valuable training for special forces teams like the Army's Green Berets and Rangers and the Navy's SEAL teams.

[Crazedwraith]

Gate? Who said anything about a gate? You see, there're these wacky inventions called spaceships! :P
He supposed to be banished FCOL! The Goa'uld are really going to banish him by giving him a means to get around, are they?

[Teal'c]

He supposed to be banished FCOL! The Goa'uld are really going to banish him by giving him a means to get around, are they?
........what? No, seriously, What?! :P Did I say that someone came and gave him a ship? Did you think maybe he had a hidden one like Osiris' one or a Tel'tac? :P

As for the Prometheus the giant USAF letters printed on it would probably explain why there aren't any Navy personel on board :P What experience do the Navy have with space travel? :P

[MAJKawalsky]

As for the Prometheus the giant USAF letters printed on it would probably explain why there aren't any Navy personel on board :P What experience do the Navy have with space travel? :P

What experience does the Air Force have in operating craft that require crews larger than ten? Craft that are designed to operate away from its base for months on end? Craft that have self-contained environments capable of sustaining life for more than a couple of days? Seems a submariner would be the best qualified. ;)

BTW, a large percentage of the original astronauts in the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs were naval aviators. John Glenn was a Marine Corps aviator.

[MAJKawalsky]

In the ep "Rules of Engagement" during the teaser, SG-1 comes upon a battle between Jaffa and an unidentified SG Team. SG-1 has a sideline view (from the 50-yard line as we would say in American Football) but when Jack tries to contact the U/I SG Team he says that he was at their "six". Six-o'clock would have put SG-1 behind the retreating SG Team. Jack should have said, "We are to your three-o'clock position".

You would think that an Air Force pilot would know the "clock direction" system. :p

[Jprime]

Anyone else bothered by the fact that neither Colonel O'Neill nor Major Carter, both qualified pilots, wear aviator wings? Yes, they wear missile/space command badges but those are for folks who worked in the missile silos and at Vandenburg.

Major Kawalsky's rank in CotG. On his BDUs, he had Captain's bars.

All the Air Force personnel on the Prometheus and not a single Sailor to be seen.

Only Air Force Personnel and Marines in the SGC. Where's the Army FCOL?

The SGC's apparent disregard for Constitutional Law. Their involvement against Seth, in surveillance on U.S. Citizens, and undercover work in "Nightwalkers" are clear violations of Posse Contamis Act.


What? You honestly believe US government, or any other government for that matter cares about constitution when it comes to things the public isn't supposed to ever find out about?

[Torley]

I always wondered, okay... the show mostly takes place in the U.S. when SG-1 is on Earth, but how in the heck did Teal'c dream of the COQUITLAM fire dept. (from British Columbia, Canada) in The Changeling? (Yeah, I know they filmed it there in real life and obviously they wanted a cheaper budget and to thank Coquitlam instead of relabelling everything, but still . . .)

In the actual show, have the characters actually been to that part of Canada?

[Anthro Girl]

In the actual show, have the characters actually been to that part of Canada?

Not that I can recall. However, they have had to "go to" Oregon (Nightwalkers) and the Seattle area (I forget which ep). Conveniently, the scenery is quite similar to BC. Unlike, say...oh...the Nicaraguan jungle? :rolleyes: Locations are a favorite nitpick...

RE: The Changeling - I don't know exactly where Coquitlam is, but the name has a decidedly Pacific Northwest Native American sound to it (to me). I didn't know Kelowna was a real place name either until news of the wildfires broke out last year. I guess if you don't know about the real place, you just take it as made up. If you do know, then consider it an "in-joke".

I guess naming a planet "Manhattan" (also a Native American name) would be too obvious? :D

[Torley]

Thanks Anthro Girl for your response. Coquitlam is a few hours' drive from Kelowna, and near Vancouver where the show is actually filmed (so I'm guessing they really did film The Changeling at the Coquitlam fire dept., or at least borrowed their gear)... so as you see, the name "Kelowna" is unlikely to just be a coincidence. I wonder what the specific story behind them choosing it though, because on the show, Kelowna's rival nations have names that are unfamiliar to me. Michael Shanks was raised in Kamloops, which is another nearby city. :)

Planet Manhattan, now that would be funny... hey, there's a Planet Hollywood ;)

[Torley]

Oh, I have another nitpick:

In "Abyss", notice how they used two different anti-gravity rooms to keep O'Neill prisoner that had the same basic design? One was laid on its side, and the other one on its "back" to give the illusion that O'Neill was really being kept via anti-grav means.

I noticed this because the weak green paint coloring on the walls are quite noticeably different ;)

[Rhydderch Hael]

I always wondered, okay... the show mostly takes place in the U.S. when SG-1 is on Earth, but how in the heck did Teal'c dream of the COQUITLAM fire dept. (from British Columbia, Canada) in The Changeling? (Yeah, I know they filmed it there in real life and obviously they wanted a cheaper budget and to thank Coquitlam instead of relabelling everything, but still . . .)

In the actual show, have the characters actually been to that part of Canada?
I always took it to mean that there was, in the SG-1 universe, a popular TV show that centers around a fire department brigade. And Teal'c, being the pop culture junkie that he is, watches the show avidly and imagined him and the gang as having been in that show's universe when he wigged out.

[Rhydderch Hael]

... I guess naming a planet "Manhattan" (also a Native American name) would be too obvious? :D
Funny thing. I have a fanfic where an alien world brings out this brand-new torpedo frigate to fight the Goa'uld, and the lead ship gets named Manhattan because the ship's designer happened to marry an Air Force officer from New York and named the first five ships of the class after the boroughs.

[Torley]

Not sure if this is a nitpick, but I didn't know where else to put it so here goes:

In earlier episodes like "Fair Game", Thor's eyes and facial movements seem to be VERY odd and twitchy -- for example, he doesn't blink symmetrically with both eyes at once, and when his mouth, one of his eyes opens and bulges too! What's up with that?!? Looked kind of creepy! At first when he was appearing at the pentagon-shaped table at the first meeting of the episode, I thought he was *winking* ;)

[GuyFromOH]

Not sure if this is a nitpick, but I didn't know where else to put it so here goes:

In earlier episodes like "Fair Game", Thor's eyes and facial movements seem to be VERY odd and twitchy -- for example, he doesn't blink symmetrically with both eyes at once, and when his mouth, one of his eyes opens and bulges too! What's up with that?!? Looked kind of creepy! At first when he was appearing at the pentagon-shaped table at the first meeting of the episode, I thought he was *winking* ;)
Here's a related question for those who know, are all of the asgard Computer-generated, or are some of their appearances puppets or skinny guys in suits?

[Torley]

I have an answer: it's a mixture of both CGI and animatronic puppets.

Evidence to support this can be found in various interviews (including some here at GW I believe), and in the earlier episodes like "Fair Game", it's quite obvious. When the Asgard walk, CGI is used -- but for still "sitting down" and close-up shots, it's a veiny puppet-thing.

I also note that Thor seems to have gained teeth in later episodes and talk more like a horse (the movements of his mouth, that is).

[GuyFromOH]

I have an answer: it's a mixture of both CGI and animatronic puppets.

Evidence to support this can be found in various interviews (including some here at GW I believe), and in the earlier episodes like "Fair Game", it's quite obvious. When the Asgard walk, CGI is used -- but for still "sitting down" and close-up shots, it's a veiny puppet-thing.

I also note that Thor seems to have gained teeth in later episodes and talk more like a horse (the movements of his mouth, that is).
Maybe the guy in the suit is making those movements because he is being squeezed so much.

[Jprime]

ya heimdall was the first fully cgi character (doc fraiser was a stand-in). You can SO tell that Thor is animatronic (puppet) when hes on Anubis' ship on the table...

[GuyFromOH]

ya heimdall was the first fully cgi character (doc fraiser was a stand-in). You can SO tell that Thor is animatronic (puppet) when hes on Anubis' ship on the table...
Can't we just agree that there are some really skinny and short actors with a little makeup?

[Crazedwraith]

Forever in a day Nitpick: Why was Shau'ri guarded by Horuses?? She's the queen of Apophisis shouldn't she have Serpents?

[Anubis]

That's a good question. Maybe because Apophis wanted her to look distinct?

[Skydiver]

thor was a puppet until revelations, where heimdall, the CGI asgard made its appearance

[Crazedwraith]

That's a good question. Maybe because Apophis wanted her to look distinct?

Er.. Apophisis was "dead" at this point wasn't he? He never re-made contact with Amonent.

[Anubis]

I'm not certain if he was dead by this point but whatever the case, maybe Apophis still wanted that, even after his death


Thor used to be a puppet yes, and the voice used to be RDA, now MS does it

[Torley]

HAHAHA... I'd like to see Apophis dance like Michael Jackson, he has the body and the costume for it. Would be cool to see dancing, celebrating Asgard too -- merry-making aliens!

SOOO RDA was actually talking to himself?!? (the old Thor)... that's wacky!!

I'd like to see O'Neill do his best Thor impression, then!

[Teal'c]

Forever in a day Nitpick: Why was Shau'ri guarded by Horuses?? She's the queen of Apophisis shouldn't she have Serpents?
I believe Heru-ur's Jaffa were attacking Amaunet looking for the Harsesis... but it's been so long since I saw FiaD.....

[Crazedwraith]

I'm not certain if he was dead by this point but whatever the case, maybe Apophis still wanted that, even after his death
Thor used to be a puppet yes, and the voice used to be RDA, now MS does it

"Forever in a Day" was before "Jolinair's Memories" so although pops is aliv, he's getting his face burned off on Netu and Nobody aside from Sokar knows he's alive.

[Cranbot]

[QUOTE=Torley]I'm wondering about something: in the Season five opener "Enemies", Teal'c says something to the effect of only human weapons will have an effect on the invading Replicators. Are Jaffa not human, despite their pouches?QUOTE]


My understanding is that the Jaffa started out as human, but have been so changed by the Goa'uld as to be considered a separate race now.

To put it in Lord of the Rings terms, think elves and orcs.


[and yeah, I think by "human" Teal'c meant "Tauri"...I doubt the Tollans would be more effective than the Asgard since they also use (?) energy-based weaponry]

[Sir Ruff]

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When Daniel is a "ghost" he can't touch anything. Then how did he get to the hospital to see his grandfather? as the rest of the SG1 apparently went by car... So he walked?(he can't sit in the car now can he?)

And btw, What's Janet's rank? Major?

[GuyFromOH]

for Out-of-phase people interacting with solid matter, see post, this thread, dated June 3rd, 2004, 03:59 AM

[Skydiver]

janet became a major sometime in season 3. in one early eps we see her captains bars, then in crystal skull, she had major's clusters

there was never anything announced or anything, it just 'happened'

(i remember watching the eps and trying to see her rank insignia and you can't, she's always wearing a coat so there's a 6 eps area or so within which she was promoted)

[Sue_Jackson]

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When Daniel is a "ghost" he can't touch anything. Then how did he get to the hospital to see his grandfather? as the rest of the SG1 apparently went by car... So he walked?(he can't sit in the car now can he?)

And btw, What's Janet's rank? Major?
Or, how come Daniel can walk through walls, and yet not fall throught the floor? Or better yet, is still able to lean against the wall without falling through? :confused:



In Maternal Instincts, when they're in Kheb, outside the temple Daniel takes off his jacket and he has short sleeve black shirt one. But, when Daniel is inside the temple, he has long sleeves. I guess he got cold and changed shirts. :p

[Anubis]

Or, how come Daniel can walk through walls, and yet not fall throught the floor? Or better yet, is still able to lean against the wall without falling through? :confused:

In Maternal Instincts, when they're in Kheb, outside the temple Daniel takes off his jacket and he has short sleeve black shirt one. But, when Daniel is inside the temple, he has long sleeves. I guess he got cold and changed shirts. :p



You show some interesting points. I also noticed the one with long sleeves. I don't think he's that good at changing clothing in that short space of time! lol

[SeaBee]

I believe Heru-ur's Jaffa were attacking Amaunet looking for the Harsesis... but it's been so long since I saw FiaD.....
That sounds about right, I'll have to watch the ep. again, though, just to br sure. ;)

(any excuse!) :D

[Skydiver]

not to mention during maternal instinct the candle was burned, unburned, burned

ooh and mentioning daniel's clothes. in the light. he's dying, time is of the essence to get him back to the planet....so they dress him fully, including BOOTS before jack takes him back. :rolleyes:

[Aphrodite]

Here's my SG1 nitpick: S2 In the Line of Duty

Can someone explain to me why is it that when they talked about Jolinar they described the Tok'ra goauld to be a man, but we later see in Jolinar's Memories, Jolinar was a woman/she. I'm confused?!?!:S

Is Jolinar the Host/a girl, Martouf's girlfriend or was it Jolinar the goauld/Tok'ra a male in a woman's body/host? Can someone clarify and explain this? I'm just going through my S2 box set so maybe this has yet to be explained when SG1 meets the Tok'ra for the first time.

[Adamixoye]

Thor used to be a puppet yes, and the voice used to be RDA, now MS does it
Whoa...I'm pretty sure MS has always done it.

[Livi2Jack]

You talking about my hubby? All Genius all the time but common sense? Oy.

[Livi2Jack]

You don't think it's possible he left Earth for short periods, pretending to be a different Goa'uld? :P
No, remember Teal'c hasn't met every Goauld. So maybe Apophis was one of the last to get his hands on one.

[Roatbaum]

What about that scene in Crystal Skull where Daniel was 'out of phase' and siltting on the file cabinet and leaning on the wall, then people are walking through him and he is walking through doors and such.

[omnian]

Here's my SG1 nitpick: S2 In the Line of Duty

Can someone explain to me why is it that when they talked about Jolinar they described the Tok'ra goauld to be a man, but we later see in Jolinar's Memories, Jolinar was a woman/she. I'm confused?!?!:S

Is Jolinar the Host/a girl, Martouf's girlfriend or was it Jolinar the goauld/Tok'ra a male in a woman's body/host? Can someone clarify and explain this? I'm just going through my S2 box set so maybe this has yet to be explained when SG1 meets the Tok'ra for the first time.

I think it came up in The Tok'ra Part 1 that Goa'uld/Tok'ra don't actually have genders (I think :S ) but then that makes me wonder where queens come from.....
Anywho, Jolinar was considered to be a she because it always took a female host apart from that Nasyan man in 'In The Line Of Duty'.

[Torley]

Yeah, there's an in-joke reference to stuff like that in "Wormhole X-Treme!" about why people don't fall through floors. The rational explanation seems to be that it's based on some sort of "state of mind" (like Wile E. Coyote walking on air until he realizes what's going on) and if you want to lean or be able to sit on a chair, you'll phase yourself properly just enough to do so. Go figure ;)

[Crazedwraith]

I think it came up in The Tok'ra Part 1 that Goa'uld/Tok'ra don't actually have genders (I think :S ) but then that makes me wonder where queens come from.....
Anywho, Jolinar was considered to be a she because it always took a female host apart from that Nasyan man in 'In The Line Of Duty'.

You know thats should be Tok'Ra don't have Sexs, Gender and Sex are different you see. You sex is what Genatalia you have and all snakes might be the same in that regard. But gender is if you behouarily masculine or femine.

So they should have said the Tok'Ra have gender but not sexes.

[Skydiver]

Here's my SG1 nitpick: S2 In the Line of Duty

Can someone explain to me why is it that when they talked about Jolinar they described the Tok'ra goauld to be a man, but we later see in Jolinar's Memories, Jolinar was a woman/she. I'm confused?!?!:S.

when sam first ran into Jols, she was in a male host. and given their level of knowledge about the goa'uld then along with cultural predjudices, it was presumed that the goa'uld had a gender. they now know better. while the snake may have a preference for one specific gender of host, they can exist in either gender



Is Jolinar the Host/a girl, Martouf's girlfriend or was it Jolinar the goauld/Tok'ra a male in a woman's body/host? Can someone clarify and explain this? I'm just going through my S2 box set so maybe this has yet to be explained when SG1 meets the Tok'ra for the first time.

Martouf says that the symbiote and host love as one. so, it was kinda a foursome. jolinar/rosha, martouf/lantash were all a 'couple'

perhaps to facilitate this, lantash always tried male hosts and Jolinar always tried for female hosts

They'd have to get along. imagine the conflict if two hosts loved each other but the hosts hated each other. you'd basically end up with the symbiotes forcing the hosts into a non-consensual relationship, which would be against the tenets of their beliefs

[star1928]

I know that this has been mentioned before, and that they used to juse use it for filler, and they don't use it that often anymore, but what was with the animation showing the inside of the wormhole? We all know that, when you are being trasported through the wormhole, you are energy. If you are energy, therefore, you don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. It did work good for filler, though!

[SG_Mike]

Reminds me of Tree's falling in the forest and no one there to hear it thing. I think the wormhole transition was made to add depth to the idea of being whipped through at a high rate of speed going across the galaxy. Especially with the mention earlier about the G-Force you would experience going through (this is of course long before they compensated for stellar drift) My opinion is that this effect was only there to highten the experience for the viewer. And over time we basically "got the picture" of what happens when you go through and it started to lose all usefullness, except to fill in when the episode was short a few seconds. Neat observation. ;)

[Serpent Guard]

In "1969", young Lieutenant Hammond's eyes are dark (brown, maybe? I can't tell) whereas older General Hammond's eyes are blue. Then again, I have heard of eye color changing with age, so maybe this isn't a nit...

[Crazedwraith]

I know that this has been mentioned before, and that they used to juse use it for filler, and they don't use it that often anymore, but what was with the animation showing the inside of the wormhole? We all know that, when you are being trasported through the wormhole, you are matter. If you are matter, therefore, you don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. It did work good for filler, though!

We're Matter all the time. It's just when we're in a wormhole all the matter is separated from each other and shot through subspace or something like that

[Adamixoye]

Okay, I don't know if this is Nitpicking or not, but I hate actor switches and repeats. The guy from "Demons" was the same guy from "Cor-Ai". The guy who played the memory alien/Lt. Tyler in "The Fifth Man" was the same guy from "Rules of Engagement". When they switched the actress for Cassie, they reused the actress who play the little girl in "Bane". And as I'm sure you've all heard (small spoilers for Atlantis S1 and SG-1 S8)...
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...the guy who played Lt. Elliot will be playing a character on Atlantis. Also, they're switching Dr. Weir, the president, and I'm sure there have been other switches that I can't remember or don't realize. Reusing actors is okay, sometimes, if you can't really tell (like David Palffy's work as Sokar AND Anubis).

[Adamixoye]

Other things I dislike...

There is plenty of inconsistency with Stargate physics and the physics of the various technologies. I won't go over it here.

There is plenty of bad physics on the show, or at least physics that isn't explained as being something that the rest of the world just doesn't know about yet (I'm willing to accept fictional physics if it's presented as such).

There are some military rank inconsistencies.

There are all the inconsistencies between the show and the movie, but like actor switches, I suppose that's to be expected.

[SG_Mike]

I would love to hear some examples off the top of your head about the Bad physics and rank inconsistencies. I probably have not noticed myself, but would be interested in them.

Thanks.

[nugglebugget]

In "1969", young Lieutenant Hammond's eyes are dark (brown, maybe? I can't tell) whereas older General Hammond's eyes are blue. Then again, I have heard of eye color changing with age, so maybe this isn't a nit...
In "1969" they were pretty brown looking to me,too.Someone suggested "colored" contacts might be a plausible cover for it{in jest}
Other than that,I thought the actor had a good resemblence.

[star1928]

We're Matter all the time. It's just when we're in a wormhole all the matter is separated from each other and shot through subspace or something like that

*slaps forehead*

See, this is what happens when you're trying to type posts and listen to your teacher give a lesson at the same time. What I meant to say is that while in transit, a person exists as energy not as matter, as explained in, I believe, Red Sky.

*goes back to change post*

It might make more sense now!

[Serpent Guard]

Other than that,I thought the actor had a good resemblence.

I thought the same thing, until I noticed the eye color difference the other day while watching the ep for like the 6th time. :p LOL

[MadJaffa]

Mmkay my takes.

Daniel - same thing, mind over matter and all that

Freezing faces - it could be the feedback thing

Seeing the wormhole - while your body is energy, where are you? Your consiousnes, your soul if you will, has to come along, oterwise you are not the same person, right? So your soul gets pulled along, being energy. Some could argue you become an ancient during that time. It could explain why Oma only asends people near the gate. I mean, how could she not save Gahndi?

DHD/Earth spinning - it seems to me like there are three types of dials

Thor, Future Cass way - engaging and locking in the palm of your hand, plus power instantanious

DHD way - power provided, but engaging and locking must be done in an order within the DHD

Earth, Teal'c "strongman" way - manual locking and engaging, mostly mechanical

[DJFavorite]

Martouf says that the symbiote and host love as one. so, it was kinda a foursome. jolinar/rosha, martouf/lantash were all a 'couple'

perhaps to facilitate this, lantash always tried male hosts and Jolinar always tried for female hosts

They'd have to get along. imagine the conflict if two hosts loved each other but the hosts hated each other. you'd basically end up with the symbiotes forcing the hosts into a non-consensual relationship, which would be against the tenets of their beliefs
But in one episode (can't remember which one) Anise/Freya was at the SGC. Freya told Jack she was interested in him, but Anise preferred Daniel. So that is not always the case that they love as one.

[Adamixoye]

I would love to hear some examples off the top of your head about the Bad physics and rank inconsistencies. I probably have not noticed myself, but would be interested in them.

Thanks.
Well, I think the rank thing mostly has to do with the movie, Kawalsky, and O'Neill's flashback in "The Gamekeeper". Ask around, I'm sure someone will tell you. I wouldn't have noticed were it not for people on this forum talking about it.

Bad physics? Let me give a few examples.

(1) Anytime an off-world message is received from an SG team BEFORE the Stargate opens.
(2) Gravity in "A Matter of Time". The final scene where the glass in the control room breaks as it's pulled during the Stargate, but Sam and Teal'c are still standing straight up in the control room is so ridiculous I can hardly type this. Gravity doesn't act like that, even near a black hole.
(3) Time for radio waves to travel in "Tangent". If I remember correctly, that is. I think on the show it was something like 5 hours when Jack and Teal'c were at Jupiter. The actual number would be closer to one hour (that's being picky, I know).
(4) In "Window of Opportunity" Teal'c says that the planet is "several billion miles" away. Several billion miles doesn't even get you out of our solar system. (Pluto is about 3-4.5 billion miles away, then you have the Kuiper Belt and the Oort cloud. The nearest star is about 25 trillion miles away.) I guess Teal isn't wrong if your definition of several can include 25,000.
(5) In "Children of the Gods" Sam explains the problem with the Stargate system is due to the "expanding universe theory". But expansion of the universe is completely insignificant within one galaxy. The motions of the stars as they rotate in the galaxy and move within star clusters are far more significant (for instance, all the stars of the Big Dipper are headed towards us and will be on the other side of our sky in tens of thousands of years).

Trust me, there are more. I still like the show, and sometimes there is okay physics and/or creative science fiction that appropriately gets around the physics, but other times it's just annoying.

[SG_Mike]

Touché! I appreciate the response Adamixoye. I can understand what you mean now. My education in physics and science is limited. So I figure it is easy for me to over look things from time to time. (Except for the off-world message before the gate is open). Generally I never trust what I see on television anyway.

[Major Jessica Davis]

Did anyone else notice that in Singularity Teal'c referes to Nirrti "he" not she? They must have ment for the character to be male and changed their mind by the time they got to Fair Game.

[Adamixoye]

I figured that maybe Teal'c didn't know Nirrti's gender, or that he just misspoke.

I mean that in the context of the show. I'm sure that in real life you're right about what the writers were intending, but I think that's a relatively easy one to do some "fan spackling" on.

[Torley]

Thing with that, is the mythological Nirrti is female.

But maybe Teal'c was not familiar that particular Earth myth.

Cute how Osiris is referred to as a she though -- I wonder what became of the actual snakey-thing after "Chimera"?

[sideburn0916]

I always wondered why SG-1 never unhooked a DHD from a planet that's not populated. They seem to dial out faster

[omnian]

I always wondered why SG-1 never unhooked a DHD from a planet that's not populated. They seem to dial out faster

They dial out faster but its not as safe as the SGC's dialling computer. Enemies wouldn't know how to work the computer I'm guessing but they'd be able to easily dial a DHD wouldn't they?

[Skydiver]

i think it's the safety factor and a security factor.

right now, they can lock down the computers and keep folks at the sgc if needed, couldn't do that if they had a dhd

plus siler would trip over it in the gateroom :)

[Torley]

ANOTHER NITPICK? I noticed during "Entity" that after the "entity" infects the computer mainframe of the SGC, all literally goes to heck and the computer shuts off and gate goes down and all that. They are making repairs. However, General Hammond announces that he has told all off-world teams to stay put -- HOW did he do this?!? Am I missing something here?

[Teal'c]

ANOTHER NITPICK? I noticed during "Entity" that after the "entity" infects the computer mainframe of the SGC, all literally goes to heck and the computer shuts off and gate goes down and all that. They are making repairs. However, General Hammond announces that he has told all off-world teams to stay put -- HOW did he do this?!? Am I missing something here?
They manually dialed the gate and he used a regular radio? :P

Teal'c called Nirrti he because he was out of breath from running away from the gliders.

[omnian]

Similarly in Season 1 (I forget which episode despite only watching it today!) the SGC received an IDC code BEFORE a wormhole actually formed! I mean, come on! How unperceptive do they think we are? :p

[Torley]

They manually dialed the gate and he used a regular radio? :P

Teal'c called Nirrti he because he was out of breath from running away from the gliders.

Yeah, really... they could not do that... not conceivably... it was just like one sentence General Hammond suddenly blurted out and then the story moved on from there. Weird.

Also, did anyone else notice how ineffectually weak the automated defense system around the Stargate was in "2010", when the Aaschen took it over? It was like shooting little pin pricks that didn't smoke or sizzle or anything, and it took a lot of hits to knock all of SG-1 down!

[joshing123]

Also, did anyone else notice how ineffectually weak the automated defense system around the Stargate was in "2010", when the Aaschen took it over? It was like shooting little pin pricks that didn't smoke or sizzle or anything, and it took a lot of hits to knock all of SG-1 down!


I don't know - seemed pretty effectual to me considering 5 people died to get one little piece of paper through. I figured the intention of the laser shots may not have been to kill unless necessary, but instead to stop/deter people.

[Torley]

Hm, that is true they all died -- but my quibble with those lasers is this:

If they were in fact to stop or deter, they should have been the type of weapons that can fire one shot and STUN, thus incapacitating and neutralizing the threat without further harm so that the subject could be brought back to the Aaschen authorities for questioning and whatnot. Aaschen know very well how to kill (i.e. their bioweapon) so I would presume they would be wiser with tech than this. But rather, the beams were like a swarm of angry insects!

What's the reason why they couldn't tie the note onto a heavier object like a brick and throw it through from a distance again? Did they give one in the episode?

[Skydiver]

Similarly in Season 1 (I forget which episode despite only watching it today!) the SGC received an IDC code BEFORE a wormhole actually formed! I mean, come on! How unperceptive do they think we are? :p

they do that in tokra pt 2. the guys are waiting on sam to dial home with dad and marty, the female technician goes 'no signal yet'....and the gate is closed :)

so, duh, there's no signal for a reason

[DJFavorite]

Here's something that has bothered me for a while.

Here's the scenerio:
you have a team off-world dialing home
before they complete the address, the wormhole can't be established
the wormhole is established instantly when the 'big red button' is pushed

Here's the problem: how does the gate at the other end know it's going to be the one to be connected to the originating gate? You see the Earth gate (or any other gate the are going to) lighting up each chevron one at a time as if it is being dialed. I would think the wormhole would just show up with no forwarning at the destination.
Or would all the possible gates with that address start lighting up the chevrons until it didn't match the address. Then why wouldn't Earth get a lot of false dials?

[Jillybiehn]

They dial out faster but its not as safe as the SGC's dialling computer. Enemies wouldn't know how to work the computer I'm guessing but they'd be able to easily dial a DHD wouldn't they?

Yeah, but here's what bugs me about the "enemies can't work it" theory. Just watched Children of the Gods Pt 1. (no spoiler space, if you haven't seen THAT ep, what are you doing here? LOL) Pophy & his buddies go back thru the gate after wreaking much havoc, but how did they dial it? I'm assuming they held someone at gunpoint, but...it bugged me.

[joshing123]

If they were in fact to stop or deter, they should have been the type of weapons that can fire one shot and STUN, thus incapacitating and neutralizing the threat without further harm so that the subject could be brought back to the Aaschen authorities for questioning and whatnot.

Maybe they haven't seen Star Trek or Stargate & don't know about stun weapons. :)
No, I figured under that bland exterior they're really masochists at heart & like their weapons to be more torturous. Why stun them when you can poke little holes in them and make them suffer.



What's the reason why they couldn't tie the note onto a heavier object like a brick and throw it through from a distance again? Did they give one in the episode?\

LOL - I think the same thing every time I see that episode. He probably could have thrown it from the balcony and made it!

[SG_Mike]

I always wondered why SG-1 never unhooked a DHD from a planet that's not populated. They seem to dial out faster

I sort of agree to this but it brings up some questions for me. What is the maximum distance that a DHD can be away from the gate? (How are the DHD and stargate connected?) If that limit is far enough to allow them to install it in the control room, then I am sure they could figure out a way to tie the DHD into the computers so that they still have control and security. This would give them access to dailing the gate faster. I am sure there are probably limitations to the DHD that I am not considering here. ;)

[omnian]

Here's the problem: how does the gate at the other end know it's going to be the one to be connected to the originating gate? You see the Earth gate (or any other gate the are going to) lighting up each chevron one at a time as if it is being dialed. I would think the wormhole would just show up with no forwarning at the destination.
Or would all the possible gates with that address start lighting up the chevrons until it didn't match the address. Then why wouldn't Earth get a lot of false dials?

I've been wondering the exact same thing! The planet that Ernest Littlefield was stranded on apparently had similar coordinates to that of Abydos so in that case would both the Abydos gate and the Heliopolis gate (or whatever the planet was called) both light up?

[omnian]

Yeah, but here's what bugs me about the "enemies can't work it" theory. Just watched Children of the Gods Pt 1. (no spoiler space, if you haven't seen THAT ep, what are you doing here? LOL) Pophy & his buddies go back thru the gate after wreaking much havoc, but how did they dial it? I'm assuming they held someone at gunpoint, but...it bugged me.

Lol, this was debated over in the CotG thread. I assume that they simply dialled it manually because there were no personnel left after the Jaffa had shot them all were there? Its just one of those things you have to assume really I guess....

[DJFavorite]

I sort of agree to this but it brings up some questions for me. What is the maximum distance that a DHD can be away from the gate? (How are the DHD and stargate connected?) If that limit is far enough to allow them to install it in the control room, then I am sure they could figure out a way to tie the DHD into the computers so that they still have control and security. This would give them access to dailing the gate faster. I am sure there are probably limitations to the DHD that I am not considering here. ;)
The distance seems to get quite a bit. In the episode 'The Gamekeeper' (I think that's the one) they dial the gate to go home and they show the game about a quarter mile in the distance.

[SG_Mike]

Doh...now I got to back and watch it...heheheh. Thanks!!

[SG_Mike]

The distance seems to get quite a bit. In the episode 'The Gamekeeper' (I think that's the one) they dial the gate to go home and they show the game about a quarter mile in the distance.

I watched and saw what you mean about it being a good ways off. The control room would be much closer. The questions remains on how does it work with the stargate. IE communcate? Wireless? what?

[Sierra Golf 1]

aaaaand another thing - why are all the offworld gates embeded in some kinda rock?

Also dealing with the rock......How can the wormhole engage with an eighth of the Stargate covered in rock?

There's probably an explanation for this one, but how does the iris on the gate not disintegrate when it's closed and the gate is activated?

[omnian]

Also dealing with the rock......How can the wormhole engage with an eighth of the Stargate covered in rock?

I wouldn't say an eighth but its not in the way is it? Just holding it in place.


There's probably an explanation for this one, but how does the iris on the gate not disintegrate when it's closed and the gate is activated?

This has been answered many many times before, lol. Take a look around the various threads similar to this question and you'll find the answer fully explained, lol.

[Sierra Golf 1]

(1) Anytime an off-world message is received from an SG team BEFORE the Stargate opens.
(2) Gravity in "A Matter of Time". The final scene where the glass in the control room breaks as it's pulled during the Stargate, but Sam and Teal'c are still standing straight up in the control room is so ridiculous I can hardly type this. Gravity doesn't act like that, even near a black hole.
(3) Time for radio waves to travel in "Tangent". If I remember correctly, that is. I think on the show it was something like 5 hours when Jack and Teal'c were at Jupiter. The actual number would be closer to one hour (that's being picky, I know).
(4) In "Window of Opportunity" Teal'c says that the planet is "several billion miles" away. Several billion miles doesn't even get you out of our solar system. (Pluto is about 3-4.5 billion miles away, then you have the Kuiper Belt and the Oort cloud. The nearest star is about 25 trillion miles away.) I guess Teal isn't wrong if your definition of several can include 25,000.
(5) In "Children of the Gods" Sam explains the problem with the Stargate system is due to the "expanding universe theory". But expansion of the universe is completely insignificant within one galaxy. The motions of the stars as they rotate in the galaxy and move within star clusters are far more significant (for instance, all the stars of the Big Dipper are headed towards us and will be on the other side of our sky in tens of thousands of years).

Trust me, there are more. I still like the show, and sometimes there is okay physics and/or creative science fiction that appropriately gets around the physics, but other times it's just annoying.

Very good points, Adamixoye. Another thing that also comes to mind from "Tangent", I'm pretty sure that two missile rockets would not be enough to move something as massive as a death glider. The thing's inertia, even in a weightless, frictionless environment, would be too great to let a couple of missiles designed only to thrust a few hundred pounds move it.
In your number 5 statement, if the planets with gates on them were only moving as a result of the galactic rotation, there would be virtually no difference in relative position. While you are right about Carter being wrong about universal expansion, the matter that would distort the gate network in our own galaxy would be the drift of the stars themselves throughout the galaxy. As you said, the stars of Ursa Major are moving toward us, and this movement, rather than the rotation of the stars, is what would distort the gate network.
In number 4, the Oort cloud is theorized to be 1/4 the distance to the nearest star. That is nowhere near the Kuiper Belt.(In fact, Pluto may very well be a Kuiper Belt object itself, this is still being hotly debated.)
Another thing from "A Matter of Time": When O'neill and the other guy (I forgot his name) are "climbing" towards the gate, I wonder why they, the ropes, or the bomb weren't "spaghettified" from the black hole's gravity. "Spaghettification" (yep, its a real term used by physicists!) is the stretching out of a body near the singularity of a black hole. This could have happened well before the pull of the black hole was too much for O'neill or his partner to fight, or too much for the ropes to hold.

[Sierra Golf 1]

I wouldn't say an eighth but its not in the way is it? Just holding it in place.





The rock's always within the inner circle of the sratgate, where the "puddle" of the wormhole appears.

[omnian]

The rock's always within the inner circle of the sratgate, where the "puddle" of the wormhole appears.

Ohhhhh.....well, the rock doesn't go through the gate does it? I mean, you can't see that it does anyway.

[Sierra Golf 1]

In the ep "Rules of Engagement" during the teaser, SG-1 comes upon a battle between Jaffa and an unidentified SG Team. SG-1 has a sideline view (from the 50-yard line as we would say in American Football) but when Jack tries to contact the U/I SG Team he says that he was at their "six". Six-o'clock would have put SG-1 behind the retreating SG Team. Jack should have said, "We are to your three-o'clock position".

You would think that an Air Force pilot would know the "clock direction" system. :p

Actually, he should have said they were at the 9 o'clock position

[Crazedwraith]

Actually, he should have said they were at the 9 o'clock position


No, he was directly to their right, which is three o'clock. If he was at their 9 o' clock postition he'd be to their left.

[Crazedwraith]

Ohhhhh.....well, the rock doesn't go through the gate does it? I mean, you can't see that it does anyway.


Actually you can. Take a look in "Serpent's Lair" for a good example.

[Sierra Golf 1]

[QUOTE=Torley]I'm wondering about something: in the Season five opener "Enemies", Teal'c says something to the effect of only human weapons will have an effect on the invading Replicators. Are Jaffa not human, despite their pouches?[QUOTE]

Teal'C meant the P-90s

[Torley]

They say "bury a gate" a lot... how exactly do they... bury a gate? (I don't think they would just toss sand over it, for example.) Have they shown this onscreen? I've missed the episode with it if they have.

[Sierra Golf 1]

No, he was directly to their right, which is three o'clock. If he was at their 9 o' clock postition he'd be to their left.

As I remember it, SG X was facing to the right of SG 1. This would have put them to the left of SG X, hence a 9 o'clock position. Or am I remembering it all wrong?

[Crazedwraith]

As I remember it, SG X was facing to the right of SG 1. This would have put them to the left of SG X, hence a 9 o'clock position. Or am I remembering it all wrong?


Well as i remeber it SG-1 were facing SG-X's right side but i aslo could be wrong.

[Crazedwraith]

They say "bury a gate" a lot... how exactly do they... bury a gate? (I don't think they would just toss sand over it, for example.) Have they shown this onscreen? I've missed the episode with it if they have.

You but a big solid dense rock plug where the event horizon would form so it can't, could also use the iris in this manner to stop incomming wormholes.

[Torley]

Ahhh okay thanks... I am under the impression some species not of advanced technology might not understand instructions fully and they might try to do other things :|

[Adamixoye]

Very good points, Adamixoye. Another thing that also comes to mind from "Tangent", I'm pretty sure that two missile rockets would not be enough to move something as massive as a death glider. The thing's inertia, even in a weightless, frictionless environment, would be too great to let a couple of missiles designed only to thrust a few hundred pounds move it.
In your number 5 statement, if the planets with gates on them were only moving as a result of the galactic rotation, there would be virtually no difference in relative position. While you are right about Carter being wrong about universal expansion, the matter that would distort the gate network in our own galaxy would be the drift of the stars themselves throughout the galaxy. As you said, the stars of Ursa Major are moving toward us, and this movement, rather than the rotation of the stars, is what would distort the gate network.
In number 4, the Oort cloud is theorized to be 1/4 the distance to the nearest star. That is nowhere near the Kuiper Belt.(In fact, Pluto may very well be a Kuiper Belt object itself, this is still being hotly debated.)
Another thing from "A Matter of Time": When O'neill and the other guy (I forgot his name) are "climbing" towards the gate, I wonder why they, the ropes, or the bomb weren't "spaghettified" from the black hole's gravity. "Spaghettification" (yep, its a real term used by physicists!) is the stretching out of a body near the singularity of a black hole. This could have happened well before the pull of the black hole was too much for O'neill or his partner to fight, or too much for the ropes to hold.

(1) I didn't really do the math on the glider. Did they just burn the missiles or fire them? Point taken, but I'd have to know a rough mass of the glider, a mass of the missiles, and the speed that the missiles are usually fired at to know whether it was reasonable or not.

(2) If they had said that galactic motions were the reason the Earth gate was out of alignment with the rest of the network, I would have been okay with that. But not the "expanding universe" theory. That was just silly.

(3) I wasn't saying that the Oort Cloud and the Kuiper Belt were close, only that the Oort Cloud is the next thing after the Kuiper Belt, which itself is the next thing after Pluto. The statement by Teal'c of "several billion miles" gets you to the Kuiper Belt if you're generous, but not to the Oort Cloud. The Oort Cloud, though reaching to 1/4 or 1/3 the distance to the nearest star is still considered to be a part of our Solar System in a sense. (And actually, the distance you quoted is the outer edge; the inner edge is about half that distance). Diagrams below.
See diagram 6 (http://aeon.physics.weber.edu/jca/PHSX1030/LectureNotes/Lecture_11/node3.html)
Another good diagram (http://www.solarviews.com/cap/comet/kuiper3.htm)

(4) "Spaghettification" would definitely be happening if the glass broke in the control room, but Teal'c and Sam could still stand. "Spaghettification" is just tidal forces as applied to black holes. Tidal forces depend on the mass of the object and the distance, which is like gravity, but tidal forces depend more strongly on the distance. That's why the Sun's gravity is more significant on Earth, but the Moon is the bigger cause of tides (by about 2 to 1). Any way you slice it, the depiction of gravity was very unrealistic. Either the control room would have been under significant influence by gravity too, or the effects as you neared the gate would have been much more extreme. But the depiction of one thing happening in the control and something different happening in the gate room was not well done.

[Torley]

Another nitpick I have:

The design of the binoculars as seen in "The First Commandment" and other episodes doesn't really make sense to me! They're not even TRUE binoculars... sure they have two eye holes at the end, but only ONE at the point you're supposed to look through... that's just really weird! :) Am I missing something here?

[Sierra Golf 1]

(1) I didn't really do the math on the glider. Did they just burn the missiles or fire them? Point taken, but I'd have to know a rough mass of the glider, a mass of the missiles, and the speed that the missiles are usually fired at to know whether it was reasonable or not.


Ya, they just "cooked the missiles off" as O'Neill said. After this, though, they automatically jettisoned from the craft and one crashed into the canopy of the glider.


(2) If they had said that galactic motions were the reason the Earth gate was out of alignment with the rest of the network, I would have been okay with that. But not the "expanding universe" theory. That was just silly.

That was pretty stupid.


(4) "Spaghettification" would definitely be happening if the glass broke in the control room, but Teal'c and Sam could still stand. "Spaghettification" is just tidal forces as applied to black holes. Tidal forces depend on the mass of the object and the distance, which is like gravity, but tidal forces depend more strongly on the distance. That's why the Sun's gravity is more significant on Earth, but the Moon is the bigger cause of tides (by about 2 to 1). Any way you slice it, the depiction of gravity was very unrealistic. Either the control room would have been under significant influence by gravity too, or the effects as you neared the gate would have been much more extreme. But the depiction of one thing happening in the control and something different happening in the gate room was not well done.

That episode wasn't a total loss, though. Their depiction of the redshift as a result of the black hole's "stretching" of the light and other wavelengths coming from the MALP was pretty acurate.
I just got a wierd thought. What if they did an episode where a white hole was near a planet with a gate instead of a black hole? That would be cool. They wouldn't have been able to use an explosion, because it would have been focused towards the control room. They have touched on theoretical things in the past (i.e. Ha'taks traveling at ten times the speed of light).

[Sierra Golf 1]

Tidal forces depend on the mass of the object and the distance, which is like gravity, but tidal forces depend more strongly on the distance. That's why the Sun's gravity is more significant on Earth, but the Moon is the bigger cause of tides (by about 2 to 1).

I explained the tides almost the same exact way in my school-Which, by the way, focuses upon marine mechanics and engineering (i.e. boating, fish culture), and my aquaculture teacher, yes, my AQUACULTURE teacher didnt get a word of it!(except for the fact that the moon plays a large role in the tides) She said "C.J., why did you come to this school if you like astronomy so much?" I do like astronomy, i've been studying it since I was 4. The only high school in my state that had an astronomy course (even an observatory!) was in Milford, and my mom was worried that there would be kids there that would be racist against me (owing to the fact I'm half Black). Oceanography is my next favorite subject, so I went to the sound school instead. (I know, waaaay off topic, time for another nitpick, though!)
The term "Death Glider" isn't very accurate because:
1) The craft are under propulsion, and
2) Any glider would NOT, under any circumstances, function in space, because theres no medium for the wings to glide on, and even if there were (such as a nebula), there would be no gravity, nothing for the gliders to 'fight' (i.e. gravity)

[Torley]

Yeah, I'll admit before I started even watching SG-1, when I read about "death glider pilots" I thought they literally lept off cliffs to combat the SGC and then glided to their deaths below, hence the name in all senses of the words! My feeling is this, the term might be:

-a VERY bad translation from Goa'uld to English based on the shape of the aircraft or some other observation
-a traditional, "ceremonial" name which has been carried on since the long-gone days when Death Gliders were in fact GLIDERS
-perhaps some mode of operation or mechanism we haven't seen yet that, when, under attack, allows the Death Glider to actually glide? Or at least fall to its doom ;)? (unlikely but hey, ya never know...)
-it's interesting to note that the word "cart" did not previously take motorized types of vehicles like a golf cart into definition.

You be the judge (as in Christopher, mwahaha ;) ).

[Crazedwraith]

I don't know if i mentioned this before but the phrase for "I die Free" seems to have Changed. The first time it appeared in season 1
Teal'c says: "Dal Shaka Mel- I die Free"
Yet in Season 7's birthright: A rebel Jaffa says "Kal Shek Nemron" to which Teal'c replies I do will die free. Indicating Kal Shek meron means a very close approxihimation of I die free.

So whats up? Thye using different versions of Gou'ald?

[Sue_Jackson]

I don't know if i mentioned this before but the phrase for "I die Free" seems to have Changed. The first time it appeared in season 1
Teal'c says: "Dal Shaka Mel- I die Free"
Yet in Season 7's birthright: A rebel Jaffa says "Kal Shek Nemron" to which Teal'c replies I do will die free. Indicating Kal Shek meron means a very close approxihimation of I die free.

So whats up? Thye using different versions of Gou'ald?
Yeah, I always wondered that too. So, which one means "I die free"? Is it "Dal shaka mel"? Or, "Kal shek nemron"?

May be they are of different dialects of Goa'uld.

:cool:

[Sierra Golf 1]

-perhaps some mode of operation or mechanism we haven't seen yet that, when, under attack, allows the Death Glider to actually glide? Or at least fall to its doom ;)? (unlikely but hey, ya never know...)


the wings don't look like they'd glide too well.....I like the one about the fact that they might have actually been gliders at some point, though. Maybe, if the goa'uld did use gliders eons ago, they were only advanced to projectile weapons, and the predecessor to the staff weapon was a rifle, and the forerunner of the zat looked something like a Glock

[Torley]

Yeah... if they did evolve... they would have had to be technology stolen from other races since it's not like the Goa'uld are great technological innovators or anything... I guess that includes their motherships, huh?

[Torley]

I also noticed, that in "Red Sky", Freyr refers to Thor as simply being a "Commander", when it is known the Thor insists on the formality of being called a SUPREME Commander ;) I don't know if that's acceptable shorthand but it seemed like a nit to pick for me.

[Crazedwraith]

I also noticed, that in "Red Sky", Freyr refers to Thor as simply being a "Commander", when it is known the Thor insists on the formality of being called a SUPREME Commander ;) I don't know if that's acceptable shorthand but it seemed like a nit to pick for me.
Lol. Thor wasn't there to assert his supreme ness though was he?

[Torley]

Yeah, he wasn't... but if he was, he'd prolly raise his finger against Freyr. By the way, Gateworld also has Thor's rank listed as "Commander" in the "Red Sky" episode guide ;), so yeah... unless you want to incur the might of "Thor's hammer"...

[Sierra Golf 1]

Another nitpick: If the Quantum Mirror is a portal to other universes...How come all of the infinite universes it can link to have exactly the same physical properties of matter ours does (or am I mistaken on the whole concept of the Quantum Mirror?) The reason that one can assume that the different universes people have been to in the show have the same properties of matter is that they didn't disintegrate when they went to the other universes. It is theorized that if someone from one universe to another with different properties of matter, that that person would cease to exist because of the altered properties of matter, even if it were something like going forward in a car instead of backward if the car accelerates quickly.

[Torley]

I'm wondering about something else: in "Jolinar's Memories", Teal'c says something to the effect that the relationships between the Jaffa children and parents is one of the things that is not complicated, and is seemingly puzzled by retired General Carter's relationship with his son. Yet, didn't Teal'c and Ryac have somewhat of a strained relationship in the past which could very easily be seen as "complicated"?

[nukechuck]

Ok here is a Nit Pick that exetremely bothers me beyong all comprehension: The pyraminds in egypt have four sides and a square base yet the pyramid ships have three sides and an open triangular base. The ships are supposed to be shaped so that they could land on the pryamids yet apparently they can't.

[Gatetrixer]

I just noticed in "Shades of Grey" when Hammond, Sam and Janet salute Jack as he is leaving to supposedly go to Laira's planet, that Janet is saluting British style, with the palm outward.

By the way, why do Goa'uld ships have so many handy alcoves in the corridors for SG-1 to hide behind?

[Gatetrixer]

Did anyone else notice that in Singularity Teal'c referes to Nirrti "he" not she? They must have ment for the character to be male and changed their mind by the time they got to Fair Game.










Believe me there is something very masculine about Nirrti, except for the obvious, of course.

[Gatetrixer]

Ever notice how often names are used for more than one character? Two Saras, two Charlies, two Jonahs, probably others. In real life this would not be uncommon but why do it on a show?

[Crazedwraith]

I'm wondering about something else: in "Jolinar's Memories", Teal'c says something to the effect that the relationships between the Jaffa children and parents is one of the things that is not complicated, and is seemingly puzzled by retired General Carter's relationship with his son. Yet, didn't Teal'c and Ryac have somewhat of a strained relationship in the past which could very easily be seen as "complicated"?
I'm going to nit-pick your nit-pick here. But thats from Seth. the echange went something like:

Teal'c: do tau'ri parents not love their children un-condtionally General Carter?
Jacob: Well, yeah but it kinda a gets compicated.
Teal'c: In Jaffa scoiety many things are complicated but loving one's child is not one of them.

Teal'c doesn't see his abillity to love his child as complicated despite their strained and difficult 'ship he would not hestitae to say he loved his son like Jacob might with Mark at this time.

[SaharaGate]

Hello nitpickers *waves*

I just wrote this big long post over in the season 3 folder but figured it may never see the light of day buried over there. So I thought I'd post it here too to see what you all think:

Ok I just watched this episode again (coz it's such a goody), but this time around I've got a few issues with it.

It leaves a lot of unanswered questions, so if anyone can tell me the answers, I'll be very grateful.

1. Which of the Linvers used a Ribbon device to lock the secret chamber from the inside and why? It doesn't seem very goa'uld like to try to stop a 'plague', for want of a better word, from spreading to other Goa'uld. If you saw the goa'ulds around you dropping off like flies, the first reaction would probably be to get as far away as possible, not to lock yourself in with them. I've never thought of the goa'uld as a self-sacrificing race. If the person was already affected, again the reaction would be to go get help.

Not to mention that if you were a goa'uld host and some device killed your symbiot, you'd probably start jumping for joy and then get out of there ASAP.

2. Why were only nine of the ten devices released from the page-turning device? When Carter and Frasier used the page-turner, all ten emerged. My brother suggested that it was because they turned the pages several times, but it seems a little convenient to me to suppose that each goa'uld there turned the page only once and got infected with only one Goa'uld killing blob. Besides, we checked on slow-motion and 3 or 4 get released each time the page turner is moved over the tablet. AND the whole ingenuity of the trap is that the fake page-turners don't actually turn the page. So the natural reaction of the Goa'uld is to try it a couple of times - which would release all ten.

If, then, all ten were released and went into all the goa'uld in the room, why did one of them survive and go back into the page turning device to later infect Daniel? Carter, Frasier and O'Neill all had several critters in them. When the protein markers were injected, ALL of them came out dead, not just one. This suggests that as soon as they detect the protein marker (ie. a dead symbiot), they all switch off, or die. So if all ten were released and the extra one also went into a goa'uld, it should have died along with all the other blobs. It had completed its job, which is to seek out and destroy the goa'uld (which is why the extra one went from Daniel into Teal'c - it had no job to do in Daniel but sensed a job to do in Teal'c).

And even if, contrary to what we see on-screen, each turn of the page releases one goa'uld-killing critter and each of the Linvers turned the page once, they all would have been infected at different times and their symptoms would not have developed at the same rate. Particularly because it took a little while for Teal'c to be affected after being infection. This would further imply that some would have still been healthy while others were getting sick - and would not have wanted to be locked in.

3. When Carter looks through the Area 51 database of Machello's machines to fight the Goa'uld, there are in fact about twelve of the page-turning devices. Carter and Frasier examined just one of these and ten goa'uld killing blobs were released. Does this mean the SGC has 120 goa'uld killing critters and never tried to use them?

Fair enough...they do unfortunately also kill Jaffa, not just goa'uld. But the SGC now has an 'antidote' and in the right circumstances (e.g. Summit) they could be very effective.

The more I think about all this, the more confused I get

Anyone got any answers? Cause I'm stumped...

[Crazedwraith]

Hi Nitpickers!!!!!!!!!

I've thought of a 1969/2010 inconsistency.
in the former when they go back in time they come out in Cheyanne Mountain despite the fact the gate isn't there. In the latter the note is sent through a gate go knows where and comes out under cheyanne mountain through the stargate. So what gives? Should it have mysteriously appeared where the 2010 stargate terminal is???

The same flaw is also exhibited at the end of the episode: SG-1 should have reapppeared in Washington DC not under Cheyanne mountain.

Thirdly didn't SG-1 zatterise the GDOs in 1969? We certinatly didn't see them send and IDC code at any point. Why didn't they get splattered on the iris?

[Gatetrixer]

Ever notice how often names are used for more than one character? Two Saras, two Charlies, two Jonahs, probably others. In real life this would not be uncommon but why do it on a show?



I meant Jonas.

[Livi2Jack]

I just noticed in "Shades of Grey" when Hammond, Sam and Janet salute Jack as he is leaving to supposedly go to Laira's planet, that Janet is saluting British style, with the palm outward.

By the way, why do Goa'uld ships have so many handy alcoves in the corridors for SG-1 to hide behind?
My husband keeps asking that question. I tell him that the thing is a pyramid so where are the structural supports supposed to stand? Answer: where we see them...

[Livi2Jack]

Good point about the Linvers...hmmm...wonder what they have been doing with all the cool stuff they have acquired over the years.

[Serpent Guard]

This might have been mentioned before, but we were watching "Hathor" last night and she claims she's a queen Goa'uld. Okay, but what about that big slug thing in the tank that was supposed to be the queen Goa'uld for the Tok'ra? You mean we're supposed to believe that one of those big things is inside the hot little likeness of Hathor? :p

[kopd]

This might have been mentioned before, but we were watching "Hathor" last night and she claims she's a queen Goa'uld. Okay, but what about that big slug thing in the tank that was supposed to be the queen Goa'uld for the Tok'ra? You mean we're supposed to believe that one of those big things is inside the hot little likeness of Hathor? :p

I believe that the queen Goa'uld actually are about the same size as the regular snakes. The rest is just a birthing sac that is grown when needed and can be detached when it gets in the way. If you've seen the movie Aliens then recall the part where the big bad momma alien cuts loose from here egg sac thing in order to chase the heroes.

And a couple others mentioned the receiving gate's chevrons lighting up before they've finished dialing. That has bothered me, too. That would be like my phone ringing before the telemarketer's have dialed all the digits of my phone number. There's just no way in heck that the gate on the other end can start engaging before you have input ALL the symbols.

[LoneStar1836]

And a couple others mentioned the receiving gate's chevrons lighting up before they've finished dialing. That has bothered me, too. That would be like my phone ringing before the telemarketer's have dialed all the digits of my phone number. There's just no way in heck that the gate on the other end can start engaging before you have input ALL the symbols.
I've never really thought about that, but now that you put it that way (nice example btw), it makes no sense for the gate they are dialing to light up before those dialing are even finished dialing. Also wonder why the gate receiving the incoming wormhole lights up the chevrons one at a time like they sometimes show. They should just all light up at once, and you better hope you're not standing in front of it. In one episode (can't think of which one specifically) they are trying to dial Earth while the bad guys are trying to dial to that planet so it's a race to see who can dial first. When the wormhole forms, one of SG-1 asks was that us or them, and they go through hoping it was outgoing. Guess if they just all lit up like they should, and the wormhole opens, it would defeat the intended suspense of the moment.

There could be some kind of delayed connection though. Maybe after you dial all the coordinates, it sends the message to the intended gate, and then that gate receives them and inputs them one at a time. That doesn't make sense either. Anyway, makes you wonder why the gate dials in like that.

[Teal'c]

Hi Nitpickers!!!!!!!!!

I've thought of a 1969/2010 inconsistency.
in the former when they go back in time they come out in Cheyanne Mountain despite the fact the gate isn't there. In the latter the note is sent through a gate go knows where and comes out under cheyanne mountain through the stargate. So what gives? Should it have mysteriously appeared where the 2010 stargate terminal is???

The same flaw is also exhibited at the end of the episode: SG-1 should have reapppeared in Washington DC not under Cheyanne mountain.

Thirdly didn't SG-1 zatterise the GDOs in 1969? We certinatly didn't see them send and IDC code at any point. Why didn't they get splattered on the iris?
Actually, its quite simple. There are 4 time travels: One to 1969, one to the future, one to 1999 and one to 2000. In the last 3 they ended up at actual gate, but going to 1969 they ended up at the "temp gate".

What happens is the wormhole will go back to where it was created but if there is a gate on the planet, that will override the temp gate and the wormhole will jump. In 1969 the gate was in storage in DC and thus "buried". When they went to the future the gate wasn't buried, thus they went to the actual gate. Same with coming home and in 2010.

[Crazedwraith]

Actually, its quite simple. There are 4 time travels: One to 1969, one to the future, one to 1999 and one to 2000. In the last 3 they ended up at actual gate, but going to 1969 they ended up at the "temp gate".

What happens is the wormhole will go back to where it was created but if there is a gate on the planet, that will override the temp gate and the wormhole will jump. In 1969 the gate was in storage in DC and thus "buried". When they went to the future the gate wasn't buried, thus they went to the actual gate. Same with coming home and in 2010.
two words: Antartic gate. Thats active. Besides the 1969 gates wasn't buried. It was in a box, the swoosh would have vaped the front allowing SG-1 to fall through.

[Livi2Jack]

Per zating the GDO in 1969, Jack definately hands off the GDO to Carter before he disintegrates the box with their stuff...review the ep.

[-Major Woody]

Keep an eye on the tuna sandwich O'Neill is eating in Rules of Engagement.

Mmm, tuna!

And in Nemesis: Why does Carter waste time putting on her safety glasses before firing at the Replicators?

[Torley]

I just watched "1969" for the first time! It was groovy :)! Well, I think I've seen all the alt-universe/time travel eps to date now (I have a particular fondness for this type of plot device...).

I am additionally wondering, regarding the scavenger nature of the Goa'uld: how was Apophis building his new battleship in "Upgrades"? It seems to be implied that it was a unique, new design of spacecraft and a flying war station like that is not just something you can haphazardly cobble parts together for.

[Crazedwraith]

Keep an eye on the tuna sandwich O'Neill is eating in Rules of Engagement.

Mmm, tuna!

And in Nemesis: Why does Carter waste time putting on her safety glasses before firing at the Replicators?
Hello, saftey? You don't want to survive replicator attacks only to be blinded when our own ejected bullet jacket-y things hit you in the eyes!

[Sierra Golf 1]

how come if radio waves can travel through the gate when its open, visible light waves cannot?

[Adamixoye]

how come if radio waves can travel through the gate when its open, visible light waves cannot?
That's a good question. I always thought the radio wave/radiation thing was kind of an interesting idea, that is, something with mass can only travel one way through the gate, but something massless (all forms of light, from radio waves to gamma rays) can travel both ways. This is one of those ideas where since we've never actually seen a wormhole, we cannot confirm or deny that this is how one works (there are theories, but still we don't know for sure), and the idea that massless photons and objects with mass are treated differently is a reasonable one.

There are of course plenty of things that select out certain types of light...for instance our atmosphere. What about the Stargate would single out visible light? I'm not sure.

[Sierra Golf 1]

Yes, if it let one kind of energy through, it would let them all through. I specified visible light because of the fact that you can't see the other end of the wormhole. In the episode where Sam and one of the SG teams gets stuck on the very hot planet and tell everyone at the SGC to stay put, the heat energy doesn't translate through the gate. Radio is a type of energy and it can go through the gate (both ways, as a matter of fact), so why wasn't the heat energy from the planet felt in the SGC (or maybe it was and I don't remember it?)

[Adamixoye]

Yes, if it let one kind of energy through, it would let them all through.

Actually, this is not true. As I said, clearly our atmosphere is an example of something that selects out different types of energies...all sorts of things in nature do. You still have a good point, though. Is there something about the Stargate that performs a similar function and only allows? You wouldn't think so, if it's basically just a portal that connects points in space. In any case, they've never mentioned anything along these lines to explain the nature of the event horizon of a wormhole.

Most people (in this case, probably the writers) who are not scientific do not realize that radio wave, microwaves, infrared, visible light, ultraviolet, X-rays, and gamma rays are all types of "light"/electromagnetic radiation, just with different energy levels, and our eyes are only sensitive to a small region of all that. For instance, I once taught an astronomy lab where students thought that radio waves would travel much slower than the speed of light. But radio waves travel at the speed of light, because they are "light".


In the episode where Sam and one of the SG teams gets stuck on the very hot planet and tell everyone at the SGC to stay put, the heat energy doesn't translate through the gate. Radio is a type of energy and it can go through the gate (both ways, as a matter of fact), so why wasn't the heat energy from the planet felt in the SGC (or maybe it was and I don't remember it?)

Actually, there's probably a simple explanation for this. Much of the energy we feel is not directly from radiation, but from the energy in the surrounding atmosphere. So if particles from the atmosphere cannot travel back through the wormhole, there would be no transfer of heat. There would only be transfer by any radiation of the Sun, but there wasn't a clear indication of how direct that was.

[MadJaffa]

One thing I always wondered. The Stargate is made of Naqueda, right? And an explosion can also set of a huge explosion by detonating the Naqueda. So, why does a staff blas hitting the gate not set it off.

Also, from the movie Ra said some thing to the effect, "Tomorrow I will send you bomb back with a shipment of our our mineral."

Why?

The gate is made of Naqueda. Or maybe he was a dumb Goa'uld and did not care if it worked as long as it worked so he did no know about it?

[omnian]

Well, with regard to a staff blast hitting the gate it wouldn't have much of an effect to be honest except to give the gate more energy. Stargates are basically giant superconductors that absorb all forms of energy applied to it (I think). So you'd need a heck of a lot of staff blasts to make it blow up, overloading the internal mechanisms and such.

Of course, this is just speculation gathered from what I can remember from various episodes.

As for Ra sending naquadah to Earth with the bomb....no idea. Maybe to make an even bigger explosion?

[Crazedwraith]

Well the gates superconductive so any energy like staff blasts are just aborbed to free up the inner tract so you can dial it.

As for why he sent it thorugh with a naquadah well why not?Makes a Bigger bang and he wants to destroy as much of earth as he can.

[Sierra Golf 1]

In the episode when they send a submarine from the Russsian Stargate to the water planet, how did they plan to get back? They didn't know about
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the microbes which would stop the water from flooding anything beforehand, did they? Does the Gate 'know' what kind of atmosphere it is in and not translate this medium to the other side purposefully? This isn't even a question of energy travelling through the gate, but real matter. It would'nt, of course, come in through an outgoing wormhole, but what would have stopped the water from using the gate like a giant faucet to flood the Russian base?

[Livi2Jack]

Hello, saftey? You don't want to survive replicator attacks only to be blinded when our own ejected bullet jacket-y things hit you in the eyes!
Or blinded from the flying shrapnel which the replicators blocks become. Or anything else that splinters and flies in all directions.

[MadJaffa]

Well, with regard to a staff blast hitting the gate it wouldn't have much of an effect to be honest except to give the gate more energy. Stargates are basically giant superconductors that absorb all forms of energy applied to it (I think). So you'd need a heck of a lot of staff blasts to make it blow up, overloading the internal mechanisms and such.

Of course, this is just speculation gathered from what I can remember from various episodes.

As for Ra sending naquadah to Earth with the bomb....no idea. Maybe to make an even bigger explosion?

So, an overloaded amout of energy makes the gate blow up, beyond 8th or whatever 9th Cheveron energy levels are. I always thought that the gate was mostly solid with the conduits on each of the cheverons and little to no machine parts. I like thinking of the Gate as as tool of the stars rather then a machine of them. Like a bike to a moped. I always thought the DHD had the moving parts and manipulated the gate.

[AmanoJ]

hiya... i have been recently going 0-full on the dvds. getting them in succession from netflix.

im very sorry if this has been mentioned already, i am brand new to this forum. huge fan, though.... :)

anyway... i was watching the episode Entity with commentary. at the part where they are in the briefing room, and the entity is flipping through the personnel profiles, they mentioned that there was a picture of (i think) peter deluise. so, i slowed down, and went frame by frame, to see all the personell pictures it scrolled through.

it got to jack... and i looked at his profile, i do believe it said john o'neill? i remember it clearly, but i have since sent the dvd back. can anyone confirm this for me? it bothered me to no end. :D

maybe im missing something....

[omnian]

Jack's real name is Johnathan. Exactly how this is shortened to Jack I've no idea :D

[AmanoJ]

ahhhhhhh, thank ya!

it was scary to see someone with my entire last name in that profile... and most of my first. eek!

(not jack :D)

[Sierra Golf 1]

Jack's real name is Johnathan. Exactly how this is shortened to Jack I've no idea :D

Johnathan is shortened to John, and Jack is a short version of John

[Adamixoye]

Using "short version" loosely, seeing as how they have the same number of letters.

[Greesha]

i just skimmed through most of this thread, so sorry if this was answered already.

anyway, my brother has a theory about why you don't fall through the floor when you're out of phase - the out-of-phasing device has a gravity sensor that won't let you phase-out in the direction of the floor. it's fun watching shows w/ my brother, he has the greatest theories.


also, did anyone else catch that scene in "the enemy within" where teal'c's tattoo is upside-down? that cracked me up.

[nugglebugget]

I don't know if this has been mentioned before or not.I was watching "Foothold" & towards the end ,the aliens that were stuck there when the gate closed self destructed.Huge honkin' blast.
Later, in the briefing room,it was stated that the others not in the gate room must have been connected to the leader somehow, because they self destructed as well.Does that mean they went "boom" too?If so,there's where the goof is.
As SG-1 was retaking control of the control room,at least 2 aliens were zatted & fell to the floor in the control room.That means there should been an explosion in there as well.
Unless,of course,Maybourne had them immediatly removed the second he walked in the door,& I think he was too intent upon getting control of the situation at the time.

[langdonboom]

Regarding the old covered-in-ice thing when travelers stepped thought the gate -- I'm pretty certain Sam mentions in (I think) Red Sky that they "got the bugs out" of the dialing process to the point that the rides aren't as bumpy or ice-producing. I'm pretty sure it came up because the ride to the Red Sky planet was so herky jerky. I know she mentions it in one episode, can anyone confirm this?

[kopd]

Using "short version" loosely, seeing as how they have the same number of letters.

As you can see here (http://www.behindthename.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=jack), it originated more as a "pet name" than a shortened name. But either way, the people that go by the name Jack are usually Jonathan (or something similar) in the paperwork. Besides, you can't always go by what you see on paperwork as there are a lot of people who don't use their formal name. I, for instance, go by my middle name which causes plenty of confusion at times. (It is convenient at times though, because if I answer the phone and the ask for me by my first name, I know it's safe to hang up. ;) )

[Sierra Golf 1]

If a wormhole is supposed to be a shortened length of a long jurney (such as eight light-years shortened to a few km), why is the wormhole traveled through by the SG teams so curvy? Wouldn't it just be a straight 'tunnel' through space-time?

[Greesha]

If a wormhole is supposed to be a shortened length of a long jurney (such as eight light-years shortened to a few km), why is the wormhole traveled through by the SG teams so curvy? Wouldn't it just be a straight 'tunnel' through space-time?

but it looks so much cooler the way they do it... :D

[Lostinmyownvoid]

The prop guns don't eject shells! I known its a minor thing but I'm a gun-psyco and its major pet peeve of mine.

[omnian]

I've just noticed this but I found it kinda funny...

SG-1 are equipped with P90s after Season 4's The First Ones right? Well, they still make the same sound when fired as the MP5 until Exodus (I think) when they start making the noise they do now.

Just an itty bitty thing I recognised.

[MadJaffa]

This is a kind of big one:

Every visited planet is visited in the day. Why? How does the SGC know when each planet's day is? Only Goa'uld homeworlds ever seem to have nighttime.

[Erik Pasternak]

This is a kind of big one:

Every visited planet is visited in the day. Why? How does the SGC know when each planet's day is? Only Goa'uld homeworlds ever seem to have nighttime.Well, they send MALPs through first, so maybe they figure out when it'll be daytime and send the SG teams then, so they have light!

[Cillasi]

I think the problem actually was the weight and discomfort of the helmets. They looked good, but were a b*tch for the actors to wear.

The helmets also only stayed in place when the actor was in an upright position. Therefore, anyone wearing one was very restricted in their movement. The skullcaps were also discontinued because they kept "curling up" around the edges and it just wasn't worth the effort to keep them looking proper in active scenes.

I guess things that can be dealt with when making a 2-hour movie just become too timely and difficult to cope with when making a weekly series.

[Sierra Golf 1]

Two things from Chain Reaction:
1) When the bomb blows up on the planet while the gate is still open, how does the gate survive? If the naquadah in the soil enhanced the blast, why didn't the naquadah in the gate do the same thing???
2) In the episode, the general says that after the self-destruct, the base will be buried 'under a megaton of rock' (or at least that's what I heard). A megaton is a unit of energy measure, usually equal to a thousand tons of TNT. Megaton is not a unit of weight, as someone might think.

[Adamixoye]

2) In the episode, the general says that after the self-destruct, the base will be buried 'under a megaton of rock' (or at least that's what I heard). A megaton is a unit of energy measure, usually equal to a thousand tons of TNT. Megaton is not a unit of weight, as someone might think.
A megaton just means 1 million tons. When it's referring to TNT, the phrase "of TNT" is usually attached.

[VirtualCLD]

My own personal theory and question about the Tollan phase-shifting tech (but does not explain being out of phase in Cystal Skull) as posted in another thread:

"The VFX departement make it appear that the phase device is pointed at some object or wall and then makes the object phase-shift so the user can walk through it. Maybe the object only partially shifts out of phase (so it's still "solidish" to the objects around it, like the ground) and the user of the device partially shifts out of phase so they are still solidish, but the object and the user are then completely out of phase with eachother so they can go through one another. Kind of like adding two sine waves together. If the world is sine wave A, then the user could be a sine wave shifted 90 degrees to the left and teh object could be a sine wave shifted 90 degrees to the right. The user's and the object's sine waves are now 180 degrees out of phase and will cancel eachother out. However, their sine waves are only 90 degrees out oh phase with the rest of the world, then they can't phase through anything else.


The only question I have with the phase-shift technology I've seen is, why did O'Neill have to hold Teal'cs hand yet the cat (Schreoder?) who walked through the iris not have to be touching the user of the phase-shifting device?" --Me

[Sierra Golf 1]

A megaton just means 1 million tons. When it's referring to TNT, the phrase "of TNT" is usually attached.

Sorry, I said thousand :eek:
I always learned that the only weight it measured was that of the TNT. And I also learned somewhere that it was recently modified into an amount of another unit of energy which is more constant than TNT.

[Harlan]

I'm part of a French/Swiss Stargate Forum, where I found several bugs and others details ...

See a few HERE (http://stargate-net.ch/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=199) / HERE (http://stargate-net.ch/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=213) / HERE (http://stargate-net.ch/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=228) / HERE (http://stargate-net.ch/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=302) / HERE (http://stargate-net.ch/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=447) / HERE (http://stargate-net.ch/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=463)

If you practice French, OK you'll understand all the details we've found,
but if you don't -> don't worry, my links contains images that explain very well our bugs ;) .

[sueKay]

Hey there folks!

I don't know if this has been brought up in this thread before, but I re-watched 1969 the other night, and I noticed that the manwho plays the young Hammond had brown eyes, whereas Don. S. Davis has blue eyes.

[Crazedwraith]

A megaton just means 1 million tons. When it's referring to TNT, the phrase "of TNT" is usually attached.
Whne referring to the yeild of an explosive device. It would just be "megaton"

As in nuclear weapons. Kiloton = same as a thousand tons of TNT.
Megaton= Same as a million tons of TNT.
Gigaton= Same as a billion tons of TNT. (Note thats most likely an american billion ie) 10 to the power of Nine, not a proper britissh billion which is a million millions of tonthe power of 12.)

[Adamixoye]

All I'm saying is that it's contextual. To say a "megaton of rock" is not incorrect, because the definition of megaton is just one million tons. It has become commonly associated with explosive power and "of TNT" is either implied or stated, but the words kiloton, megaton, etc. are derived from words referring to weight/mass (don't get me started on the distinction). So "megaton of rock" is still a meaningful phrase.

Check here (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=megaton), see check definition 2 of the second entry.

[VirtualCLD]

I'm confused, there are two "billions"? 10^9 and 10^12?
I know giga- is definately 10^9, that's constant. But I guess growing up in America I've always assumed billion was also 10^9. So my question is, what do they call 10^9 in the UK.

[crimsontide101]

Ever notice the American flag on some of the uniforms, except that it is facing out instead of facing in like its supposed to on non american soil.

[Lugal]

Some Linguistic nitpicking:

- They have said the Ancient Language is akin to/based off Medieval Latin, eventhough Latin is an Indo-European language, of the Italic branch, related to other languages in the branch Oscan, Umbrian and others.

- In Thor's Chariot, Daniel read the wrong numerical value of 2 of the runes.

- In Cure the Pangaran writing is either Tamil or Grantha (which may actually fit with the ep, since Shakran (the goa'uld that used to rule the planet) sounds Indian.

[ShadowMaat]

Oh look. A thread on nitpicking and goofs. How absolutely astounding. Someone else actually thought of it first! I am so shocked.

[Qasim]

lol

http://www.tvtome.com/StargateAtlantis/goofs.html

and

http://www.tvtome.com/StargateSG1/goofs.html

[drronin112]

Okay, First, Old Business:



"And a couple others mentioned the receiving gate's chevrons lighting up before they've finished dialing. That has bothered me, too. That would be like my phone ringing before the telemarketer's have dialed all the digits of my phone number. There's just no way in heck that the gate on the other end can start engaging before you have input ALL the symbols."

If you notice, most of the time the Chevrons light up when there's somebody near enough to the gate that they can observe it. Maybe this is a Built in safety measure the Ancients included in the design of the stargate that gives anyone nearby a chance to get out of the way before the "splash" happens. Some kind of Proximity Sensor or whatnot could go off and although the wormhole has been dialed and "established" from one end, the Gate gives those nearby a "warning time" to clear away. One of the safety features to keep random people walking nearby from being turned into smoking ash with cunks left in their boots. The fact that this happens many times on the Earth Gate may be because of the Jury-rigged dialing system.



"Actually, this is not true. As I said, clearly our atmosphere is an example of something that selects out different types of energies...all sorts of things in nature do. You still have a good point, though. Is there something about the Stargate that performs a similar function and only allows? You wouldn't think so, if it's basically just a portal that connects points in space. In any case, they've never mentioned anything along these lines to explain the nature of the event horizon of a wormhole."


This is a good point, since the Event Horizon which is formed at the Gate to re-integrate/dissassemble matter could also perform other functions (Similar to the "Splash" which according to Dr. McKay re-sets the Pattern integration crystals (Episode 514 "48 hours" aka: Teal'c Interrupted)) it's feasable to assume it does things like stop visible spectra of light from passing through. Besides, presumably the Ancients knew which addresses lead where, which means they wouldn't need to "see" where they were going when they dialed an address, so why make allowances for visible light to pass through, however they probably needed to communicate so they would have allowed for other methods of energy to go along the wormhole.

This also goes along with the whole Watergate and Message in a Bottle situation (Aka: Why didn't the Russian Base flood when the return wormhole was established with an entire ocean on the other side). it's the same reason why all the atmoshpehre wasn't sucked out of the SGC in "Message in a bottle" (Episode 207) when they gated to a Lifeless planet (Which was enough of a vaccuum that they had to wear space suits to even visit it). Again Blame the Event Horizon acting as a kind of Filter or Shield that would keep things like that from happening. Another built in Safety Precaution. (Dang those Ancients were much smarter than us. )



"The only question I have with the phase-shift technology I've seen is, why did O'Neill have to hold Teal'cs hand yet the cat (Schreoder?) who walked through the iris not have to be touching the user of the phase-shifting device?" --Me"


If you look real close Schrodinger (I probably mangled the name) The cat has a Phase shifting device strapped to his back. So he didn't have to be in contact with someone holding one, as he had his own. Lucky cat.


On the whole Megatons being a weight measurement or measure of explosive force, Hammond COULD be saying METRIC tons (in the script) and the Actor just kind of Slured it till it sounded like Mega.


Now, New Business:


In Episode 715 Chimera, When Sam and Pete are talking in the Diner/coffeehouse and Pete sugests that they go to the Zoo, Sam comes back with something about there not being a Zoo in Colorado Springs. Did the Writers just not do any research on Colorado Springs other than knowing that's where Cheyanne Mountain is? There IS in fact a Zoo in Colorado Springs, Heck the zoo is ON Cheyanne Mountain.

Information on the Zoo at: http://www.cmzoo.org/

In fact, Cheyenne Mountain Zoo is the only mountain zoo in the United States. Which is something which gives it a bit of Fame. Saying there's no Zoo in Colorado Springs is akin to saying that there's not a Single bowling Alley in Chicago. And I doubt she could Feign ignorance as the Zoo is several hundred Feet Above where she works almost every day. Either she was just having a "blonde moment", the Writers didn't bother checking to see if there was a Zoo, or she was trying to give Pete the brush-off in the same episode he's introduced. Which is Possible considering for the longest time there she had this Black-Widow thing going.

[thor's first prime]

From what I understood of the big Jaffa helmets in the series, they were awkward to use. Personally, I always found them to be a little silly compared to the ones in the movie, which were CG. I can understand if they couldn't do that regularly on a TV budget.

I love how the zat always knocks everyone out cold on the first shot, except SG-1. They just get a little wonky. :D
i think the reason why sg1 doesn't get knock out completely compare to everyone else is because they get zat all the time so maybe there are use to it.

[drronin112]

You also have to remember that when most members of SG1 get "zatted" there's usually another person nearby shaking them and dragging them off to the side trying to help them wake back up. So it may be a question of building up a tolerance, but it might also just be them covering for each other.

[_Owen_]

Yes, theoretically the Zat doesn't use any elaborate methods to inflict the pain, it is just like an electrical shock, but not electrical, lol. It simply causes great pain, so eventually you could get used to it. If you whacked yourself in the hand with a hammer, it would most likley hurt like... but if everyday for forty years you whacked yourself in the hand with a hammer, eventually you would stop feeling it.

Owen Macri

[PrimalAscended]

Hey all!! Good posts and topics......very thought provoking :)

Got one for ya..........in Red Sky, the whole trouble with the sun was caused by superheavy elements "piggybacking" the wormhole and bonding with the sun causing the disaster, according to Sam anyway........

OK....my problem with that is the Stargate translates matter to energy and the destination gate retranslates the energy back to matter.........so if the elements did get into the wormhole somehow they'd become energy right?? And if they were in the wormhole how the hell did they "fall out" into the sun as the wormhole went through it without SG1 falling out too??!!!

Any ideas?

[knocknashee]

I'll post this in the right thread now... :D

Major Sheppard wears a black wristband which most of the time is a brand name one turned inside out (you can see the seam that is normally hidden on the inside)...however, when McKay is hit by the Wraith stunner blast as they shut down the gate at the beginning of 'Suspicion', you can see the Nike 'Swoosh' as he checks for McKay's pulse...

[RobTF]

The following inconsistencies have bothered me a little - am I missing something or are they just "like that"?

I know i'm a nitpicking basterd..lol but bear with me - might give other people something to think about, I'm sorry if these have been discussed before.

1. In "Children of the Gods" (E1 S1) How does Apophis get away? They activate the gate, and come through, then simply take that female soldier back through the gate without a DHD.

2. Also in "Children of the Gods" the Jaffas armor is pretty much bulletproof, not so in later episodes/seasons (even though there appears to be riccochet sparks).

3. Again, in "Children of the Gods", Sam and Daniel discuss the reason the gate didn't seem to dial anywhere was because of interplanetary shift and a DHD is needed to compensate for it. Abydos could be dialled without a DHD becasue it was relatively close to Earth. If this is the case, how do SG1 do a manual dial (as seen in "1969" (E21 S2) and some other episodes like the Ernest one).

4. In episode "New Ground" (E19 S3) the _destination_ gate the SGC dials lights up incrementially as the Chevrons are dialled. How can this be so? How does that specific gate know it is being dialled that early?

5. In "48 Hours" (E14 S5) when the hook up the DHD to get Teal'c out, why does the Stargate Spin? Surely thats nothing to do with the DHD? Thats the crude dialling mechanism the SGC use (since the SGC have no real DHD - offworld gates don't spin). Having said that, if the DHD supercomputer Sam built can interface with the Gate at a low enough level to pick up gate error codes, why don't they just input the Chevrons using that mechanism, rather than spinning the gate (effectively manual dialling).

6. In "Red Sky" (S5 E5) there is a clear delay in something entering the gate and exiting the gate (they track its progress through space using a computer). It actually takes 10-20 seconds to go through the worm hole, shutting the gate off early made whatever was going through reintegrate half way in its basic element form. In other episodes you see the gate shut down immediately after someone has entered - and they live?

7. In "Window of Opportinuty" (S4 E6) why don't they just bury the gate to prevent the time travel device dialling Earth and causing another time loop?

8. The gate coordinates are supposed to change based on where you are to start with. This is clearly mentioned in some episodes, yet in one episode, Daniel claims he knew he dialled Earth correctly as he has "done it a thousand times before".

[theStormWeaver]

Maybe they were useing lesser grade rounds in the first episode, and since then they use higher grade (perhaps depleted uranium?) rounds because of the superior armor of the Jaffa?

Some of that other stuff is messed up, but you have to give the writers creative liscense, this is Science FICTION.

The thing with the changeing co-ordinates, maybe they were mistaken. There must be a point of reference for the entire system of addresses. Other wise the number of addresses would be infinite. You would have to take the number of possible gate addresses factorial, because each gate would have a different address for every other gate, no gate would have the same list of addresses.

The DHD auto compensates for the drift, but if you know the knew address, then does it matter?

[Locutus_Of_Borg]

I think there is already a thread like this but im not sure. But oh well. This thread is devoted to all the faults and things that don't make scense that we have seen. And explanations to it.



1. One i have seen is in Reckoning Part 2. When O'Neill and the other Colonel whatshisname', they are both shooting the replicators, there outside the front left blast door to the Gateroom, right there you can see light coming out of the bottom, it may sound silly. But the Gateroom is supposed to block out radiation and stuff. Plus it use to Be an old rocket test facility, although it might have not fired real rockets , but think about it. "I like fire and Radiation coming out of the gateroom when we're doing something dangerous. I'm probably being stupid but the thread is a good idea.

2. in that same episode Reckoning Part 2, when they shoot the replicator mainly when they're in the Control room and replicators and everywhere, when they shoot them, they don't come back together anymore, like in the first episode with the replicators at the end of Season 3. They came back together after being shot.


So post away Please.

Never know if somebody knows the answer.



Oh yeah and the first thing about the episode and the blast door, you don't need to bother answering it. The idea was pretty stupid hehe.:D

[FallenAngelII]

In "Thor's Hammer" in season 1, there's a piece of music used (A LOT) for the Cimmerians. Especially when Kendra, Daniel and Sam are walking in the mountains.

When, in season 5's "Pretense", it's used again... for the Tollans o_O. No Cimmerians in sight. No mention or indication of them. Yet, the exact same piece of music.

[PG15]

Everybody speaks English.

In "Children of the Gods", when Carter explains why only the Abydos gate works...her physics is wrong. Sure the stars may drift, but it's not because the universe is expanding. That only works for galaxies. Besides, I doubt the Ancients forgot to compensate for that.

[FallenAngelII]

The Ancients did not forget to compensate for it. But we're forgetting that our Stargate does not have a DHD. The DHD surely does a lot of things other than dial out, including compensating for celestial drift.

We've, as Samantha Carter put it, MacGuyvered out way to Stargate travel.

[Pazuzu]

I think that in Reckoning P2 Replicarter was occupated reading Daniel's mind. The replicators were reassembling, but they did it slower.

[Locutus_Of_Borg]

Hmm Good points. But with the Gate not working. The Abydos gate should have worked, unless the Gate didn't perform a coralitive update when Daniel tried all the addresses

[SaberBlade]

the IDC being received before the gate has opened

seeing the shimmering effect before the gate has connected.

when carter and haley go through the stargate, they are standing on the wrong sides when they arrive on the other side.

the beta gate using the alpha gate symbols (well the 7th symbol)

these are the ones which stick out

[Locutus_Of_Borg]

nice ones,

oh yeah in season 1, like you mentioned. They recieved the IDC and the gate hadent turned on yet. That was good.


Keep posting

[SaberBlade]

oh, when Apophis finally died, replicators were walking on his shield but slow moving objects should be able to walk through it

just remembered this one from when i finished my S7 boxset, the secret service shoot the hell our of the presidents office but you don't hear anything being damaged or even see when Anubis leaves

thats all i can think off for now

[Locutus_Of_Borg]

Yeah when you think about it, the replicators should have been able to move through the shield. Although the Replicators are powered by energy so maybe thats why they couple pass throught. Who knows?


Maybe the producers or script/story writers

[dial_the_gate!]

I saw them getting the IDC before the gate opened right up to season 2 :D

The thing i liked in the film was that why bother looking for the 7th symbol, wouldnt be the only one out of place?, but then again in the film the two gates were different.......

What i dont understand is when the gate is buried its cant connect why?

I the episode 48 hours when Teal'c gets stuck in the memory buffer they say they can lower the iris into the gate more so it won't engage so what is it that actually blocks the gate?! So if i put a stick through the gate would that stop it from engaging?

[Locutus_Of_Borg]

Yeah, good point. What I'm wondering, they said the gates were different in the movie. But in a couple of episodes they said every gate is the same, but in season 1, and i'm maily focasing on the episode "Solitudes", the DHD symbol was different, but maybe thats because that was a different stargate. And one of the originals. But i'm just trying to figure out how they sort out all the point of origin symbols. Still confuses me a bit. I tend to confuse myself on the subject. :D