Jack should die

[hail_jack]

Season 8 is supposed to be SG1's last season....if NOT how should season 9 or possibly even 10 end...i think the only fitting way it should end if Jack (and thor?) dies trying to save earth's BACK SIDE from the reps etc, etc what do you guys think?

[Bagpuss]

Bit drastic,IMO! :eek:

Heroic deaths are V.overrated....and I think most SG-1 fans would prefer a happier ending for Jack! (Not necessarily a Shippy one,though. ;) )

As for poor Thor,he's got his loyal fanbase too...... ;)

IMO,if the writers "Killed off" Jack,there'd be riots outside Bridge St Studio.

[Revet]

Whatchotalkin'boutfool!

The idea of killing off Jack, the show's MAIN character, is crazy!
TPTB or creators would never allow the writers to ax O'Neill.

[Bagpuss]

Even if the whole PTB/Writers/etc all agreed to Slay Jack,there's nowhere they could hide if they pulled that stunt!

Too many Jack/RDA fans to hide forever from! :)

[Nolamom]

Blasphemy! You cannot kill Jack...that's just crazy talk (as Mrs. Laningham might say). No really, fandom has been split over lesser things, killing Jack might result in the apocalypse.
Nmom

[Bagpuss]

Or just a deluge of hate mail to PTB,vigils,petitions,etc.....just on a far larger scale than ever before... :eek:

Or a massive boycott of all SG-1 dvd's, merchandise, etc,by Jack Fans!!

Don't worry,Nola,PTB would never go that route, IMO! :)

[Ugly Pig]

No.

Just... No.

[ShadowMaat]

Killing Jack would be boring and stupid and melodramatic. Which is probably why TPTB would consider it. ;) However, they're so obsessed with dollar signs that they could never TRULY kill off any of the characters because it'd make it harder to do any movies or bump the ratings on Atlantis by having someone from SG-1 guest.

Now. implying that Jack might be dead.... having a whole ugly scenario leading up to it... that might work. But only if you imply the deaths of more of the team, too. Leave one lone survivor, struggling to pick up the pieces of his/her shattered life and continue, maybe begin some mad quest to prove that "they aren't dead!" :)

[Newbie]

Noooo...don't kill him....firslty it's no the onlu and not the best way to get rid of him and they know that...secondly if they would do that then there would be a lot of BringBackJack site and groups...like there were with Kirk...but this time I'll be in one of them...so better not kill him

[ShadowMaat]

The post is about killing Jack off in the last episode of the series. Hard to have a "Save Jack!" campaign when there's nowhere left for him to go.

[Bast]

never!

Jack is the best thing there is!

Besides they want too make stargate II the movie.

[ShadowMaat]

Besides they want too make stargate II the movie.
If they're making Stargate II it will likely star Kurt Russel. Or someone else. A trainked monkey. ANYONE but RDA.

However, if they made a Stargate SG-1 movie, it would most definitely star RDA.

Let's not get the two mixed up. The original movie with the original actors has original producers that loathe and despise everything that SG-1 is.

[Newbie]

The post is about killing Jack off in the last episode of the series. Hard to have a "Save Jack!" campaign when there's nowhere left for him to go.
as you see there are a lot of ppl saying NO , this ppl will do a "Save Jack!" campaign no matter what...there are just other ways to get rid of him...send him to work in the whote house...it's nice and we know that he is still there...or let him go live on some other planet...no death

[ShadowMaat]

as you see there are a lot of ppl saying NO , this ppl will do a "Save Jack!" campaign no matter what...there are just other ways to get rid of him...send him to work in the whote house...it's nice and we know that he is still there...or let him go live on some other planet...no death
I dunno... There were no "Save" campaigns for any of the Space: Above & Beyond characters that got killed in the finale, none for Buffy, none for Angel- save the show in general, but that's different.

I still think an apocalyptic finale could be very cool, but Jack shouldn't be singled out as the ONLY one to "die". ;)

[Ugly Pig]

Bottom line: Having a tragic ending to the series just doesn't suit it. While there has been tragedy and drama over the course of the show, it really doesn't feel right that there would be any kind of a depressing ending. It just isn't the Stargate SG-1 way.

[ShadowMaat]

It'd be a cliffhanger. A great bloody awful cliffhanger. Jack and Teal'c stranded on a hostile world and presumed dead (even while they're fighting desperately to stay alive), Daniel disappearing completely while on a mission with SG-11, Carter getting forcibly reassigned and fighting it all the way so she can go look for her missing teammates, and Jonas escaping the manic clutches of his planet to try and help her out even when no one will listen to him...

Leave the audience in a screaming froth, demanding to know what happens next. ;)

[Ugly Pig]

A great bloody awful cliffhanger for the end of a season perhaps, but what way is that to end the whole series on?? Unless they'd follow up on it later of course, but as you said this is about how the series ends...

[Bagpuss]

I agree! Personally, I find nasty endings unsatisfying.

Plenty misery in Real Life. No real need to have Stargate SG-1 end in any kind of horrible way,for any of the Main Characters!

I watch the programme for umpteen reasons,like most viewers I've met online.

Nothing wrong with anyone's reasons for watching,but I need "Escapism"! :)

Let the Fan-Fic writers come up with endings of Doom. ;)

[Bagpuss]

Leave the audience in a screaming froth, demanding to know what happens next. ;)

Hopefully not a screaming froth against PTB/Actors/Crew/the cleaner's cat!

I can see the "Why",I can see the "How",but I'd still like a Happy Ending as such............OK,I'm a wimp... :o


(By The Way: Congrats on getting Nirrti! Coooooooooool Avatar! :D )

[Kliggins]

Season 8 is supposed to be SG1's last season....if NOT how should season 9 or possibly even 10 end...i think the only fitting way it should end if Jack (and thor?) dies trying to save earth's a*s from the reps etc, etc what do you guys think?

Nice try, but I don't think so!

[OzGirl]

Killing Jack would be boring and stupid and melodramatic. Which is probably why TPTB would consider it. ;)
LOL I'll bet even RDA would consider it.


Now. implying that Jack might be dead.... having a whole ugly scenario leading up to it... that might work. But only if you imply the deaths of more of the team, too. Leave one lone survivor, struggling to pick up the pieces of his/her shattered life and continue, maybe begin some mad quest to prove that "they aren't dead!" :)
Oh, yeah. I like this. Shattered lives. Pieces, even. Mad quest. Maybe
all who come in contact with the surviving team member thinks (s)he is
insane.

Jack could be "mostly dead," as long as Billy Crystal stays out of it!
Because, you're right, the movie franchise must not suffer.

I'm still waiting for the musical... ;)

[David85]

The only Jack I think should die is...... :-D

See? I added the smilie. :)

[Ugly Pig]

Uh-oh... I sense modding headed your way... :D

[MagnoliaAnaglypta]

Killing Jack would be boring and stupid and melodramatic. Which is probably why TPTB would consider it. ;) However, they're so obsessed with dollar signs that they could never TRULY kill off any of the characters because it'd make it harder to do any movies or bump the ratings on Atlantis by having someone from SG-1 guest.

Now. implying that Jack might be dead.... having a whole ugly scenario leading up to it... that might work. But only if you imply the deaths of more of the team, too. Leave one lone survivor, struggling to pick up the pieces of his/her shattered life and continue, maybe begin some mad quest to prove that "they aren't dead!" :)
I agree with you on several levels, the first being that very few television show writers have the ability to tackle this subject with the finesse that would be required to stop it turning into either a farce or a soggy emotional morass.

Some shows have been made much stronger by the death of a lead character, either at the end of their run or earlier - the ones which most emotionally affected me were Micheal Pread's death in Robin of Sherwood (best death scene on telly ever) and Sheridans 'ascension' at the end of Babylon 5 (which had me weeping for several hours afterwards). Buffy's death at the end of Season five probably counts as a well-handled departure, but we knew she was coming back so that's not really too relevant. But for every successful departure of a character there must be twenty or so where the effort fell flat on its face and left the majority of fans feeling dissapointed and betrayed. And that feeling can then affect how they view the show in retrospect - think of the end of Quantum leap and the number of comments I have heard that that ending basically ruined everything that had gone before for people...

If I thought they could do it, and do it WELL, striking the right emotional note and giving the audience something beautiful and cathartic, if you like, I wouldn't object to it. But I have absolutely no doubt that they couldn't pull it off.

And to be honest, I think the old 'is he or isn't he dead' ploy has become just too stale and cliched for words. Too many sci fi programs have used it too many times - that would just bore me.

[Anubis]

Killing Jack would really be killing the show . . . on purpose. I don't think the producers really want that to happen. Richard has been great on all seasons even though he lacked appearanced throughout season seven. If he does come off the show, not by death, I'm certain that he will make smaller appearances but killing him off is just really stupid

[petzke_42]

They don't have to kill him per se....they could just....paralyze him, so he has an excuse to not be around ever.

[Greesha]

i don't think they would actually kill him, because if he was really dead (unlike daniel) there wouldn't be any way to bring him back if the fans stopped watching.

[shinyredpants]

Season 8 is supposed to be SG1's last season....if NOT how should season 9 or possibly even 10 end...i think the only fitting way it should end if Jack (and thor?) dies trying to save earth's a*s from the reps etc, etc what do you guys think?
noooooo *cry* you cant kill thor! i love thor! thor is supreme *cry*

*cry*

[Livi2Jack]

Season 8 is supposed to be SG1's last season....if NOT how should season 9 or possibly even 10 end...i think the only fitting way it should end if Jack (and thor?) dies trying to save earth's a*s from the reps etc, etc what do you guys think?
Are YOU looking for death threats? Beware the Gutter Gals....sheesh.

[Nolamom]

Are YOU looking for death threats? Beware the Gutter Gals....sheesh.

Excuse me? Are you planning on OFFERING death threats? Perhaps you should rephrase that.
Nmom

[ShadowMaat]

Are YOU looking for death threats? Beware the Gutter Gals....sheesh.
Umm... I think hail_jack posted an idea and wanted to see what people thought of it. There were no death threats involved in ANY direction and the lack of emoticons in your post makes you sound like YOU are making threats. Maybe you should back off and cool down. Or add some emoticons, if you were kidding.

[ShadowMaat]

Incidentally (this is really bothering me, now), I never saw this post as being a "I want Jack to die!" thread, I saw it as a "Wouldn't it be an interesting way to end the series?" thread.

Most people are, of course, disagreeing. But thus far, everyone has been fairly well behaved about it.

[Crazedwraith]

Jack is going to die theres nothing any of us can do to stop it.


Its called old age. So unless Jack uses a sarc he's going to die, wether you want it to be an on-screen death or not is up to you.

All of them weill die eventually.

[shinyredpants]

i'm not for this one way or another...it could be an interesting ending to the series, but i think too many people would be upset. it would be kinda neat to see an all out battle where jack and thor are at the front lines and at the end die, but it would be sad too...really really sad.

[Dramaqueen]

i don't think they would actually kill him, because if he was really dead (unlike daniel) there wouldn't be any way to bring him back if the fans stopped watching.
Don't they always say nobody ever really dies in science fiction...
But I don't like the idea of Jack dying either... even the topic of this thread stunned me for a second.

[ShadowMaat]

But I don't like the idea of Jack dying either... even the topic of this thread stunned me for a second.
Surprised me, too. I thought someone had taken up my threat to start an anti-Jack thread. ;) Still, this is probably the better idea, and you have to admit, the title draws attention. :D

[Ugly Pig]

Its called old age. So unless Jack uses a sarc he's going to die, wether you want it to be an on-screen death or not is up to you.

All of them weill die eventually.

Actually, this is not neccessarily true. It's one of the perks you get by being a fictional character... Immortality. :)

[Bagpuss]

Surprised me, too. I thought someone had taken up my threat to start an anti-Jack thread. ;) Still, this is probably the better idea, and you have to admit, the title draws attention. :D

Oh,it's drawn attention all right!! :)

Jack's possibly a "Sacred Cow" for a whole lot of fans,so it's good, IMO,that hail_jack started this Thread! ;)

I can't see why Livi2Jack's remark is any worse than David 85's post.
(Except that there are no Smilies etc to soften what they typed.)

Surely they weren't "Serious" in any bad intent to hail_jack?

I can see why the "Emotion Smilies" are so valuable now!! :D

[ShadowMaat]

I can't see why Livi2Jack's remark is any worse than David 85's post.
I wouldn't know. I don't read David85's replies anymore. What few posts of his I have seen were hostile and nasty. I don't need to see that, thanks just the same.

As for livi2jack, maybe it was meant as a light statement, but looking back on it, it still comes across as vaguely threatening and I don't see any call for such a reaction. Like I said, if it's a genuine warning to hail_jack about the potential for taking flak from his/her post, then it could have been worded a lot better. And if it was meant as a friendly joke, then some indication of that would help a lot.

[Bagpuss]

Believe me,I agree about the need to SHOW they're joking!

No idea/comment about David 85's usual style,but I'm prepared to give Livi the benefit of the doubt,as I've read lighter postings by her in different Threads.... :)

Maybe they'll post again or edit their remarks? :)

Or maybe not...


Absolutely no further comment about David 85! Been back to re-read and he's been "Snipped" already....... :o Sorry Mods!

[hail_jack]

First of all..thank you for all of your replies..especially the death threat...I am *terrifed* ;) anyways..sorry about the question itself...it wasn't very clear I was really asking...would it be fitting if Jack was to die in the Season Finale of Season 9 or 10...of course..it would depend on numerous things...but Jack is and also has been the MAIN character/hero and therefore if the producers decide season 8/9/10/x to be the last one wouldn't it sum up everything Jack stands/stood for...through his death?

Thanks
Hail_Jack

[Livi2Jack]

I wouldn't know. I don't read David85's replies anymore. What few posts of his I have seen were hostile and nasty. I don't need to see that, thanks just the same.

As for livi2jack, maybe it was meant as a light statement, but looking back on it, it still comes across as vaguely threatening and I don't see any call for such a reaction. Like I said, if it's a genuine warning to hail_jack about the potential for taking flak from his/her post, then it could have been worded a lot better. And if it was meant as a friendly joke, then some indication of that would help a lot.
Hey guys, did you "get" the part of "the Gutter Gals...sheesh?"

Sheesh.

Trip on over to the RDA Drooling Thread II...and maybe, possibly, you will "get" it.

All hail The Gutter Gals.

& What the heck is a smilieicon or whatever?

[aAnubiSs]

I think they should kill off Jack if RDA doesn't want to do season9. That would allow for some new blood and some interesting storylines.

[bcmilco]

I'm not to crazy about this idea. I've always been partial to allowing the "hero" to benefit from some of his/her hard won freedom. Sure it might be more "in character" to 'go down fighting', but I like happier endings. :p

[Bagpuss]

Hey guys, did you "get" the part of "the Gutter Gals...sheesh?
All hail The Gutter Gals.
...............................
& What the heck is a smilieicon or whatever?

I "got" the reference straight away! ;) ( I can't speak for anyone else though)

These Smilies are the Emotion Icon Face things that come up to add to remarks when you want to reply to posts!

Like this ;) or :cool: etc. Wish there was a "Sad" one . I could use it to sum up how I'd feel if Jack met a sticky end in Canon SG-1 in the future!

[David85]

Believe me,I agree about the need to SHOW they're joking!


So if I put :p afterwards I can say it because it's a joke, but because I didn't have a face I can't say it?

[Bagpuss]

I'm not to crazy about this idea. I've always been partial to allowing the "hero" to benefit from some of his/her hard won freedom. Sure it might be more "in character" to 'go down fighting', but I like happier endings. :p

Me too!

A "Heroic Death" might be good Drama, but a real disappointment for everyone who prefers their heroes to triumph AND remain "Alive" in the end!

(P.S.:
Long time no see btw,BCM! You OK? Best Wishes from FHB (prev Footholder!)
:D

[Bagpuss]

So if I put :p afterwards I can say it because it's a joke, but because I didn't have a face I can't say it?

No probs from me,David,really,whether the "Smilies" are used or not.

I give everyone the benefit of the doubt till they prove me otherwise! :)

[SGSlugger]

Spoilers for S7 Heroes....









Wasn't killing off Janet enough? Although killing off Jack would be rather stupid, it could end the show off on a high note.

Plus, don't forget TPTB have many ways to bring him back:
-Ascension
-Asgard Clone
-Robotic
-Sarc (to name a few).

[ShadowMaat]

Hey guys, did you "get" the part of "the Gutter Gals...sheesh?"
No. I don't find RDA attractive so I'd have no reason to visit the RDA thunk thread. For all I know, the Gutter Gals could be a light and fluffy group or they could be a more militant, unpleasantly rabid faction of RDA's fandom- not being a part of any of his groups, I wouldn't know. The "sheesh" could go in either direction, too. You have to be careful not to assume that everyone knows what you're talking about when it comes to things like that. I've made similar mistakes, myself, and the results were generally unpleasant.

But hey, it was all meant as a joke and that's the important thing. Thanks for clearing that up. :)

[bcmilco]

Me too!

A "Heroic Death" might be good Drama, but a real disappointment for everyone who prefers their heroes to triumph AND remain "Alive" in the end!

Yes I definately prefer my heros to live and enjoy some of the "spoils of war".

That said I can understand the whole 'heroic death' thing because it seems that the many 'war heroes' thrive on war and if there is no war they fade away and die :(


(P.S.:
Long time no see btw,BCM! You OK? Best Wishes from FHB (prev Footholder!)
:D

Thank you :) I've been looking for a new job and GW was getting in the way of RL so I had to put it on "hold" for a while so I could make ends meet. I don't know what I'd do if I had to cancle my DSL :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[ShadowMaat]

Heroic deaths are, generally, kinda tedious. There's a time and a place for a "noble sacrifice" and nine times out of ten, writers get it all wrong.

I don't want Jack to die "heroically", I want him to go down fighting in "just another battle" and leave us wondering what's happened to him. The more I think about it, the more I'm really liking the idea of leaving half or most of the characters stranded in dire situations or outright missing in mysterious circumstances. Build up to something big and then flash "The End" across the screen. ;)

Conversely, though, I also like the idea of ending it with Jack standing in the control room, watching a new group of recruits set out on their first mission. A nice echo of How It All Began, but giving a nod to the next generation of gate explorers/defenders.

[Bagpuss]

TO BCM:
Hmm..I see what you mean about the Faded War Heroes,BCM!

Hopefully, Jack won't end up one of them...still would feel cheated of my "Happy Ending", if he ever dies as such, though!

To be honest,I don't "Ship",but I want ALL the Main Characters to survive,whatever lies ahead. :)

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I was in a bad enough state when the writers "Killed off" Janet.
I mean I could understand they had their reasons,but as she was one of my favourites,I just plain didn't like it! :(

I'm a bit of a softie really. :o
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Back Atcha BCM! I'd probably go into conniptions if I lost the chance to go online too! Glad you're OK. :D (Hope you've still got TLP#1000! Tame got the Real TLP:#1045! Kept her happy! ;) ) Ah,the Memories of that final posting night on Delphi.....Gives me an idea for a Thread! :D

RL's a pain.Keeps getting in the way of Fun,IMO! :D

[Bogopimp]

I dont mind you killing jack off at the end, it is pretty much his starring feature. I wouldnt even mind tielc and daniel dying RIGHT at the end. Carter should just have her uniform blown off and be seriously injured. But killing off thor ? It just isnt justitifed!

[Bagpuss]

Conversely, though, I also like the idea of ending it with Jack standing in the control room, watching a new group of recruits set out on their first mission. A nice echo of How It All Began, but giving a nod to the next generation of gate explorers/defenders.

Now THAT I could live with!! :D :cool:

(As long as the rest of SG-1 were humanely re-assigned or whatever at the end...I don't want any of them to just "Die"!) :(

As I'm so fond of saying :"It's all in the writing"! ;)

[Ugly Pig]

Carter should just have her uniform blown off and be seriously injured.
Uh... Are you saying that the show should end with Sam being naked? :eek:

[Bogopimp]

Uh... Are you saying that the show should end with Sam being naked? :eek:not neccessarily in the show, maybe just have a nice ending credits thats totally irrelevant, like at the end of chalies angels 2 and the car wash scene :D it'd really finish it well, from my perspective at least :)

[Shipperahoy]

So if I put :p afterwards I can say it because it's a joke, but because I didn't have a face I can't say it?

Actually it doesn't matter how many smilie faces you put after it you can't wish death on another forum member. Fictional characters are one thing, real people are another.

[stargate barbie]

i would quite possibly be devastated if they were to do this at the end of the series with any of the main characters, but if they killed thor? :eek:

are you mad, man?!
thor? dead? no. no no no no no no...no.
what about heimdall and the babies? ;)
kill jack and thor? they're not romeo and juliet ya know. they're not far off it, but they're still not them. :p

[Sue_Jackson]

Season 8 is supposed to be SG1's last season....if NOT how should season 9 or possibly even 10 end...i think the only fitting way it should end if Jack (and thor?) dies trying to save earth's a*s from the reps etc, etc what do you guys think?
Are you insane?! :eek: Why in the world would you want to kill off Jack? Jack is an awesome character. I love is smartass remarks, and tongue-in-cheek humor. Plus, he's a great leader and warrior. He's a good man.

How dare you even think of such a thing! :mad:

[stargate barbie]

wont somebody please think of the children!!!!

[Shipperahoy]

Personally I'll be hugely disapointed if any of the main characters are killed at the end. I'll cry if Chevron guy kicks the bucket. I like happy endings. It may be cliche but I want all of the years of hard work they've put in to count for something. After all of the sacrifices they've made it would be nice to see Teal'c get to go home and Jack get to retire to his cabin and so on and so forth. I'm not a huge fan of tearjerkers or huge open-ended finales (the Angel finale aside, which I loved). I know, I know.....I'm boring.

[Hubble]

Hey guys, did you "get" the part of "the Gutter Gals...sheesh?"

Sheesh.

Trip on over to the RDA Drooling Thread II...and maybe, possibly, you will "get" it.

All hail The Gutter Gals.


I think you worded it just fine; I certainly took it as a joke :D

[ShadowMaat]

I'm not a huge fan of tearjerkers or huge open-ended finales (the Angel finale aside, which I loved). I know, I know.....I'm boring.
Well, my all-time favorite series finale was Space: Above & Beyond. Had me in tears, left me traumatized for days, but it was a powerful conclusion and it still left it open for things to change.

I don't think anyone should be 100% dead in the finale, but if there's some question that a character might be gone- or if Stargate Command, at least, thinks so-and-so is dead even if we know better... I need something more, some jumping point for the show to continue- if not in movies then at least in my head. ;) A happy ending is very nice and a non-ending is fine, but I prefer a little drama and perhaps a smidge of emotional scarring. :D

[shinyredpants]

yes! one cant leave heimdall's babies without thor! i mean...no supreme commander of the asgard for them?

that bad...me no like this medicine...

[morjana]

No, a thousand times no.

Jack's journey has been a valiant one, a journey of redemption.

Jack (and his fans) should have the comfort of a safe and welcoming journey's end.

Morjana

[jex_piperUK]

Woh, someone actually had the balls to post a thread like this? Hehe, bout time... Well if what RDA said was true, and if there is a season 9, he won't return for it, what a better way for him to say bye bye, then by getting killed off...I would kill for that to happen. :D Nah, it will be too distressing to see Sam blubbering for like the whole season continuously if that did happen...maybe he like goes back to Sara? At least he will be with someone his own age, but still Sam would be beside herself because she's been dumped, by her commanding officer, oh what a shame...:rolleyes:

[Ugly Pig]

I like happy endings. It may be cliche but I want all of the years of hard work they've put in to count for something.
Meh... A happy ending is no more of a cliché than a tragic one.

[Anubis]

Jack won't die, or at least he shouldn't. The cast on-show will get too emotional. For instance, Carter will probably kill herself by flooding the room/house with tears

[Revet]

wont somebody please think of the children!!!!

What about them? You want them to discuss Jacks death too!? :D :D :D

[Sparki101]

Quite franky, I don't care if the ending is happy or sad or if Jack dies or not, as long as it ties together threads in a nice neat bow. I don't see the point of an open-ended ending, because it will never be closed in cannon, no matter how many fanfics I read, it will never be the real thing. It leaves me feeling irritated and cheated and all I would think was 'Why have I watched 8 years of programmes for this? What was the point?'

[hail_jack]

Honk?

[michelleb]

hmm..well, most stories of great heroes end with the hero's death...but not this time. jack's had one hell of a difficult time..losing his son, his wife, his mind (more than a few times.) repeated torture, repeated death, seeing the woman he loves end up with some jerk..over and over again.

no, let him finally get sam, and live a happy and fulfilling life..at last. the man's had enough angst!! if anyone deserves a happy ending, he does.

[estelle]

Season 8 is supposed to be SG1's last season....if NOT how should season 9 or possibly even 10 end...i think the only fitting way it should end if Jack (and thor?) dies trying to save earth's a*s from the reps etc, etc what do you guys think?

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_11_1.gifNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I don't care about Thor so much, but Jack should definitely NOT die. *phew*

Estelle *calming down her little, fragile shipper heart*

[-Jules-]

Nice try, but I don't think so!
*points at Kliggins nodding head* um....EXACTLY! :cool:


YOU CAN'T KILL JACK!!! :eek: If he has to leave at the end of the series... let him retire and go off to his cabin in MN... :) ....BUT FOR HEAVEN SAKE DON'T KILL HIM!!! *calm down, calm down, calm down*

[aschen]

We all know it should end with Daniel ascending; Teal'c living out the rest of his life with Ry'ak; Bra'tac releasing his burden; Sam and Jack getting together (to pacify quite a number of you) and Hammond enjoying retirement.

[Anthro Girl]

I'm sure this has already been said, but no...they can't kill Jack...again. ;) It would kill the chance for movies and future franchise opportunities. Not that RDA would necessarily have to come back for a spin-off, but if Jack is dead...well, then...he's dead. He doesn't have to be there. He just has to be "out there". :D

[Roatbaum]

This the most absurd thing I have ever seen. No, Jack shouldn't die, Thor shouldn't die, why would you even say that?I mean you are entitled to you opinion, as I am, and I think that this is just not right.

[ShadowMaat]

Some people want certain characters dead simply because the character exists. At least the ideas I'm seeing expressed here are non-malevolent and would be done for the purpose of furthering the plot and adding to character development. It isn't as if anyone is saying "Jack sucks! I hope he dies a grisly horrible death 'cause he deserves it!"

[Ancient 1]

Killing Jack would really be killing the show . . . on purpose. I don't think the producers really want that to happen. Richard has been great on all seasons even though he lacked appearanced throughout season seven. If he does come off the show, not by death, I'm certain that he will make smaller appearances but killing him off is just really stupid
On the other hand, if Jack was to "retire," I think he would go insane... always wondering if this was going to be the day that SGC screwed up and brought the world to an end.

[Posherella]

If RDA doesn't want to go into season 9, maybe the season finale for season 8 should be him going through the gate and getting stuck in some world we can't connect to again. Then he's gone in season 9 and we can rescue him again in time for the series finale. :)

Or maybe that would just be a little to X-Files-ish.

[jpf190279]

I love it, the idea of O'neill and Thor going out in style... Man those two have all the fun! :D

O'neill err I mean RDA wants to leave the show... its obvious that he wants to spend time with his kid, so let him, stop trying to drag him back and milk his character for one more series. This just sad because he wouldn't be 100% with it and you will hate him for not trying better.

I see a lot of comparisons here between RDA and William Shatner, both play strong leader characters in HUGE sci-fi shows and BOTH wanted out so many time and got pulled back. I think we should be kind and let them go... FOR GOD SAKE!!! LOL :P

In second thoughts I think O'neill should just retire and go off on a walkabout for an indefinite amount of time, that way he can return later on if he likes and if not then it will be just as good. You could merge the dying saving the world thing with this one and have he nearly killed by X,Y, or Z. And have O'neill so freaked out that he decides to call it a day and live his life instead of getting shot at, blown up, zatted and the likes. After all he's what? 50?

[-Jules-]

have him retire on that planet with that lady he was with for a couple of months.(lara was it?) she seemed nice. (no offence to sam/jack shippers i'm all for it!) but this way he wouldn't have to be in the show anymore. *sniiiiiff* i sure will miss him though. *sniff*

[jpf190279]

Yeah and then he can go fishing every weekend with Thor in that little boat! LOL

[-Jules-]

LoL! oh...i wanna see that!!!

[Anthro Girl]

O'neill err I mean RDA wants to leave the show... its obvious that he wants to spend time with his kid, so let him, stop trying to drag him back and milk his character for one more series. This just sad because he wouldn't be 100% with it and you will hate him for not trying better.
RDA has gone on record as wanting to leave his options open. Besides that, whether or not TPTB kill Jack off (as in really-kill...not sort-of-kill) doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not RDA would actually come back to do a movie or whatever. It has to do with whether or not the character would live on..."out there"...in the ether...fishing, raising puppies, upsetting the balance of the universe, etc. :D

[jpf190279]

O'neill - Row row row your boat gentlely down the .....

*Thor beams into the boat*

Thor - O'neill I have brought you a gift.

O'neill - Hey Thor buddy a gift for me, you shouldn't have!

Thor - What was that song you was singing as I transported in?

*O'neill unwrapping his present in a starspangled wrapping and rainbow bow*

O'neill - What you mean row row row errr your boat....?

*Jack gives Thor one of I don't know what I'm saying looks*

Thor - Oh, Do you like your present O'neill?

*O'neill looks down into the small box, puts his hand in and and picks out a small yellow cube*

O'neill - Errrr yeah I guess, what is it?

Thor - A popular Asgard sweet.

*O'neill recalls Carter mentioning something of a warning about Asgard food*

Thor - Try one!

O'neill - Errrr I've just eaten my lunch Thor I'll keep them for tea tonight.

*Thor pulls a face, if you can call it that, O'neill realises he has hurt Thors feelings and decides to try one*

O'neill - Yum yum, grrrrkkk!

Thor - O'neill is everything ok?

*O'neill has put up with some of the worse torture technics in the world and some from other worlds, but none of them are as bad as how this sweet tastes*

O'neill - Looks Thor there a flying pike!

*Thor turns around to see what O'neill is pointing at, and to see what all the fuss is about. O'neill realising his trick as worked spits the vile sweet into the water*

Thor - I'm afraid I don't see anything O'neill are you sure you saw one?

O'neill - Yeah yeah it was like this big

*O'neill makes a big gesture with his hands*

Thor - O'neill there seems to be a lot of dead fish to the side of the boat!?

*O'neill turns to where he spat in the Asgard sweet*

O'neill - Guess they didn't like it either...

Thor - Like what?

O'neill - Err, the flying pike Thor!

*O'neill collects the dead fish, maybe he as a use for the Asgard sweets after all*

[-Jules-]

LOL! *claps* very cute! i wonder if the writers would use it...

[RDAfan61]

Yeah and then he can go fishing every weekend with Thor in that little boat! LOL

That would be a great retirement for him. He is such good buddies with Thor, they'd have a great time.

I don't even want to contemplate the possibility of him d... I can't even say it. :(

Shelly

[Mio]

Season 8 is supposed to be SG1's last season....if NOT how should season 9 or possibly even 10 end...i think the only fitting way it should end if Jack (and thor?) dies trying to save earth's a*s from the reps etc, etc what do you guys think?
Kill Thor?! <gets out his pitchfork and chases hail_jack>

[DarkQuee1]

Bottom line: Having a tragic ending to the series just doesn't suit it. While there has been tragedy and drama over the course of the show, it really doesn't feel right that there would be any kind of a depressing ending. It just isn't the Stargate SG-1 way.

And it would kill the show in syndication, kill DVD sales, and probably destroy any chance for a movie, either made for TV or theatrical. A lot of people simply wouldn't have anything more to do with the franchise.


J.

[Ancient 1]

We all know it should end with Daniel ascending; Teal'c living out the rest of his life with Ry'ak; Bra'tac releasing his burden; Sam and Jack getting together (to pacify quite a number of you) and Hammond enjoying retirement.
To put it in the words of president Hayes; "Never going to happen."

[aschen]

To put it in the words of president Hayes; "Never going to happen."
Thinking back, it must have taken a lot of perverbial balls to say that to Anubis.

It really would kinda blow to end the show on that kind of note. I hope they don't end it like they did Seinfeld. That was a travesty.

[Ancient 1]

Thinking back, it must have taken a lot of perverbial balls to say that to Anubis.

It really would kinda blow to end the show on that kind of note. I hope they don't end it like they did Seinfeld. That was a travesty.
I think Hayes only said that 1. because he knew it was a hologram
2. had to show confidence as a leader
3. what did he have to lose?

The last ep of Seinfeld was the worst ep of all.

[trinity1013]

Meh... A happy ending is no more of a cliché than a tragic one.
You got it. I couldn't agree more. Everything has basically already been done anyway, so there's no way killing off a main character could be original. They're trying to do that by having the heroes die not a hero's death but, like some of you said, an "uneventful" death on a routine mission, something you'd never expect and people don't like it. And that has already been done a couple of times as well. So, the only thing that would really be original would be killing him off-screen in a way anyone could die (car accident etc.) and I don't think there's anybody in the world who wouldn't hate that.



If RDA doesn't want to go into season 9, maybe the season finale for season 8 should be him going through the gate and getting stuck in some world we can't connect to again. Then he's gone in season 9 and we can rescue him again in time for the series finale.
Actually, I don't think that's such a bad idea. Of course, it wouldn't be really original because they had this being-stuck-somewhere already a couple of times but then again, it would only be reasonable that they for once don't find a way (for a looong time, that is).



It may be cliche but I want all of the years of hard work they've put in to count for something. After all of the sacrifices they've made it would be nice to see Teal'c get to go home and Jack get to retire to his cabin and so on and so forth.
Yep, gotta agree. Even though it may be hackneyed, having a main character who's faced more life-and-death-situations than you can count in his life die a hero's death or - so much worse still - an "everyday death" would be so obviously just done to shock and be surprising and "original". Imagine Daniel had died from his appendicitis - what kind of death would that have been?

[Jynjyr]

Season 8 is supposed to be SG1's last season....if NOT how should season 9 or possibly even 10 end...i think the only fitting way it should end if Jack (and thor?) dies trying to save earth's a*s from the reps etc, etc what do you guys think?

NO, No, no, nooooo. Jack CAN"T DIE!!!!

Now, having released that outburst (and admitting that I've killed him twice in fics) ... I woke up at 4:00am with my most evil final scene for Stargate - SG1 playing in my head. :S
It has a big spoiler for S8 so, if you want to read it, highlight the area below.

**SPOILER** Pete has moved to Colororado Springs and works for the CSPD. He and Sam are engaged.

**SCENE - which won't have the impact if you don't read the spoiler**
Interior Sam's house, the doorbell rings.
She opens the door to find 2 CSPD officers standing there.
Officer 1 - Samantha Carter?
Sam - Yes, what is it officer?
Officer 1 - I'm sorry Ma'am. There's been an accident.

Cut to: Long shot of the back of a large group gathered at a cemetary. We can tell that most of them are in uniform, but not if Police or Air Force. We can't hear anything being said.
Honor Guard fires 21 gun salute, Taps starts to play.
Camera pans up to the clear, blue sky as jets fly in from the right.
Freeze frame on the "Missing Man" formation.
Fade out and roll Closing Credits.
Total time - less than a minute.

Personally, once I picked up on the "Missing Man" formation, I'd probably start yelling at the TV. Then I'd write FLAMING letters to TPTB, including RDA, for going along with this ROTTEN ending.

**end of scene**

[[Hitokiri]Nguyen]

I don't think they'll KILL off Jack, but maybe they'll make him even less of a prominent character, though still important. Like Don Davis was. But if Jack quits, I don't think it'll be a death that ends his run on the show. I think a resignation is much more likely, or joining Hammond in Homeworld Security.

[auralan]

I don't want Jack to die and I doubt they'll do it. They're talking possible movies and there's no way they'll do that without RDA.

[the dancer of spaz]

Uh... Dude...

Cutting General O'Neill's/RDA's screen time into multiple, itty, bitty eighths of frames is totally different than KILLING him off. We all remember the last time they thought that was a good idea (OK, last times). You know, it tends to happen when they think they know that the series is over, and they want to do something dramatic to one of the integral characters... Let's just say that the fans don't necessarily agree. Ever.

And I definitely can't see it happening to Jack, considering RDA's name comes before the stinkin' title (a drastic contrast to Atlantis, might I add), either. *shrugs*

Besides, what would happen to all of the Jack/Daniel lovers and the Jack/Sam shippers? That's 95% of the fandom right there. :P

[Ancient 1]

And it would kill the show in syndication, kill DVD sales, and probably destroy any chance for a movie, either made for TV or theatrical. A lot of people simply wouldn't have anything more to do with the franchise.


J.
I think The PTB are going to treat this somewhat like what was done in the case of Star Trek:TNG. They ended that series when it was a major "cash cow" so they could dedicate time to the spinoff shows, DS9 and later Voyager....SG-1, now Atlantis. I do not believe either, that it is in anyone's best interest to kill off O'neill.

[jex_piperUK]

Jack isn't the MAIN character, there are FOUR MAIN characters thankyou very much. Just because RDA is a producer or whatever he is doesn't make his character the main character. God...get over yourselves. No wonder there are actually people who hate Jack, god forbid. It's not Stargate: Jack O'Neill you know...it's Stargate: SG1, meaning the whole group.

[hail_jack]

Personally, I think its the only way they'd manage to "finish off" his character what with RDA having a reduced role in this season...

[trinity1013]

Jack isn't the MAIN character, there are FOUR MAIN characters thankyou very much. Just because RDA is a producer or whatever he is doesn't make his character the main character. God...get over yourselves. No wonder there are actually people who hate Jack, god forbid. It's not Stargate: Jack O'Neill you know...it's Stargate: SG1, meaning the whole group.
I agree, but I also think there are some actors/characters who contribute more to the show than others. I wouldn't want to have Stargate just with RDA/Jack because the mixture of the different characters makes it interesting, but for me the question is if a character contributes something that can't easily be substituted. I don't know how others see that, I think none of the other characters can really substitute the humor Jack/RDA brings to the show and that's something I'd miss dearly.
Not to get too far off-topic, about Jack being the main character also see the "Why O'Neill is annoying" thread: http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=2529&page=3&pp=20

[Ugly Pig]

Jack isn't the MAIN character, there are FOUR MAIN characters thankyou very much. Just because RDA is a producer or whatever he is doesn't make his character the main character.
You're right, Jack's not the only main character of the show. RDA, however, is the main star. There's a reason why his name is above the title, as participants on the DVD commentaries are often quick to point out.

[Ancient 1]

You're right, Jack's not the only main character of the show. RDA, however, is the main star. There's a reason why his name is above the title, as participants on the DVD commentaries are often quick to point out.
Kudos UgPig. They even mention in The Lowdown that they built a competent cast around RDA.

[Sam_o_Neill]

Season 8 is supposed to be SG1's last season....if NOT how should season 9 or possibly even 10 end...i think the only fitting way it should end if Jack (and thor?) dies trying to save earth's a*s from the reps etc, etc what do you guys think?
Kill Jack?!!?!??
Are you crazy!!!!

Its Jack For Cryin OUt Loud!!!
Saying that I wouldn't want any of SG-1 to die!!! or Thor! Why does anyone have to die?
It would be a lot nicer for him to just retire..........and go fishing at his cabin with a certain someone :D

[hail_jack]

Howdy

First of all if I'm crazy or not...that's up for you to decide I don't think so;)

Secondly, if you guys think my title was written in a rush...you're right it should be "Jack could die" or sumthin..some people are a little too touchy about that...everyone's got their own opinion...:)

Personally, since this is probably the last season and RDA having a reduced shootin' time i think it would be a good way to end the show a) coz although there's chris, amanda and mike on the show you gotta admit rda is the main man; killing him would bring the show to complete end i.m.o and b) ascension or anything like that would be a stuupid ending to the show...it ain't complete enough.

Anyways, that's my view please feel free to poke holes in it

Peace out

Jack

[Sam_o_Neill]

Yes I know everyone has there opinions and thats good..but Jack dying! :S

If the show ends with someone dying I don't think it would be a good ending at all
After everything SG-1 has been through there needs to be a happy ending for all of them.

[hail_jack]

Good point but I hate stereotypical good endings..its hella boring personally

[Ugly Pig]

Good point but I hate stereotypical good endings..its hella boring personally
I repeat: Tragic endings are just as clichéd as happy ones.

And SG-1 isn't a "tragic ending" kind of show. It just doesn't feel right.

[ShadowMaat]

SG-1 isn't exactly a Happily Ever After kinda show, either, IMO. :P I can't see the ending being completely tragic (although I know how they could make it nifty), but I can't see it being happy and perfect, either. Somewhere down the middle is the best bet, and hopefully not bland and pedantic.

[Ugly Pig]

SG-1 isn't exactly a Happily Ever After kinda show, either, IMO. :P
No... It's a Status Quo Ever After kinda show. :p

[Ancient 1]

No... It's a Status Quo Ever After kinda show. :p
And that's okay. I can live with an ending to the series that lends to the belief that SG-1 and the others are still out there protecting us from those who would do us harm.

[Ugly Pig]

Yep. I know that's my preferred ending.

[Syrene]

Just putting my voice out on the original question

HELL NO!

[Daniel Jackson]

Season 8 is supposed to be SG1's last season....if NOT how should season 9 or possibly even 10 end...i think the only fitting way it should end if Jack (and thor?) dies trying to save earth's BACK SIDE from the reps etc, etc what do you guys think?
Um... no. :p Have Jack retire from the Air Force till they do a movie. :D

[Ancient 1]

Just putting my voice out on the original question

HELL NO!
Nice voice. *pets Prim'tah*

[Syrene]

What's with the petting? Am I dusty?

But hey, nice to know I'm not completely ignored. This board doesn't seem to like newmbies :D

[Daniel Jackson]

Do like me, act like you've been here a long time. Helps to have people notice you. :D

[GateGipsy]

everyone's a newbie at some point!

[trinity1013]

@Syrene: You shouldn't try to be noticed at all costs either methinks. ;) Just keep on posting and you'll be a Jaffa Fodder faster than you can say "newbie". :)



I can live with an ending to the series that lends to the belief that SG-1 and the others are still out there protecting us from those who would do us harm.
I don't know, I somehow would like something to change for them also. Doesn't mean someone has to die or it has to be "happy and perfect", as ShadowMaat put it, but the show started with them getting together as a team and in the end... something should change again.

[hail_jack]

I agree although these guys are good they can't be that good; that's why I liked Jonas coming on for a while, it kinda cleaned out the closet so to speak; its shame imo that s6 was pretty poor...in comparison to other seasons...sometimes..anyways my point is that they're (the writers) imo are "stretching" how far these guys can go...I base this on nothing really, but O'neill got lucky recently..so maybe when worst comes to worst, Jack dies first???

they've already killed of a certain doc and wasn't (cough cough) such a big deal so at the end of things i think one way the show could end is when jack dies in a huge finale...that would bring the TV SHOW to a quick conclusion i.m.o..

please fire away with your opinions...

[Ugly Pig]

[...]at the end of things i think one way the show could end is when jack dies in a huge finale...that would bring the TV SHOW to a quick conclusion i.m.o..
You know, there's another reason why I think that would suck: It would make me feel bad. I don't want to feel bad about the ending.

It would also taint the happy moments of earlier episodes. It would feel bittersweet when rewatching them. I don't want to feel bad about Stargate.

[Ancient 1]

You know, there's another reason why I think that would suck: It would make me feel bad. I don't want to feel bad about the ending.

It would also taint the happy moments of earlier episodes. It would feel bittersweet when rewatching them. I don't want to feel bad about Stargate.
Ahh....UPig waxing nostalgic. :D

Something very unexpected. :eek:

[trinity1013]

Saying that I wouldn't want any of SG-1 to die!!! or Thor! Why does anyone have to die?
Imagine one of them (the four of them, that is) had to die, there'd be no way around it, it would definitely happen, no healing device, sarcophagus or symbiote-taking or anything the Asgard come up with... one is going to die - but you could decide who it's gonna be... whom would you choose?

I think I'd take Teal'c - let him die a hero's death, saving someone else, sacrificing himself for the cause of the Jaffa or something, I think that's what he wants anyway - to die like a warrior.

[hail_jack]

As I said..Jack should die...its only a tv show remember as for one or all of them dying would taint the memory of the show..c'mon its a great show already..if they're going to make a stuupid ending (i.e. they all live happy after etc, or even worse, if there is no real ending that, imo, would taint the memory of the show..8 years of good stuff for a lame ending...I'm thinking of a quote here...something to do with a candle and Oma Desala...wait..If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, the meal was cooked a long time ago......) whatever that's supposed to mean:D And that quote was completely put in there for no reason...

[Livi2Jack]

I'm sorry, Jack die? It would be wrong and weird, and did I mention wrong?

[hail_jack]

Personally, I think your post was rude and stupid...did I say rude? Everybody has got their own opinion buddy...besides a lot of people in the show have been killed off without it being considered weird..If you want to disagree fine...i don't care...I gotta admit though, there's a lot of "weird" stuff on the show...

[Ugly Pig]

Personally, I think your post was rude and stupid...did I say rude?
In your post before this one you say a happy ending would be "stupid" (and why, exactly??) and then you go on to say Livi2Jack is rude for saying killing of Jack would be "weird".

Get real. If you're entitled to your opinion, then so should Livi2Jack be.

[Livi2Jack]

Thanks U. P. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

[Ugly Pig]

Thanks U. P. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
I'm not sure that's completely true, but thanks. :)

[aAnubiSs]

Ugly Pig is a Ms. Piggy fan, and my worshipper.

[trinity1013]

if they're going to make a stuupid ending (i.e. they all live happy after etc, or even worse, if there is no real ending that, imo, would taint the memory of the show...
I already know that a couple of people here would prefer a "status-quo-ever-after" ending to someone dying, but are there also people who'd prefer someone dying, not to a happy ending, but to no real ending?



Personally, I think your post was rude and stupid...
Gotta agree to Ugly Pig, nobody here called you (or your posts, for that matter) stupid, so I think you shouldn't do that either. You think they should kill off one of the main characters because you think it'd make a better ending. I understand and respect that. You don't say they should kill him because you hate him or something, so your opinion's justified but so are the opinions of people who would be utterly disappointed and fed up if they killed Jack (or anyone else) at the end of the show.

[hail_jack]

Livi2jack I'm sorry...English is not my first language...I read it wrong...I'm sorry... Ugly Pig and others thanks for pointing out my ingorance...

[Livi2Jack]

You are forgiven. Long live Jack.

[Daniel Jackson]

As I said..Jack should die...
Why?


its only a tv show
Indeed.


remember as for one or all of them dying would taint the memory of the show..c'mon its a great show already..
Agreed.


if they're going to make a stuupid ending (i.e. they all live happy after etc, or even worse, if there is no real ending that, imo, would taint the memory of the show..8 years of good stuff for a lame ending...
How is a happy ending lame? Why would someone want a sad/depressing ending? I don't understand this.


I'm thinking of a quote here...something to do with a candle and Oma Desala...wait..If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, the meal was cooked a long time ago......) whatever that's supposed to mean:D And that quote was completely put in there for no reason...
Hmm...

[hail_jack]

Thanks, you made some good points.

First of all, I must apologize for my style; i often write before I think.
As Ugly Pig said (i think) bad "endings" are just as cliche(d) as "good" endings; I couldn't agree more. However, I believe that clear, objective (?) endings are far better than "in limbo" endings, hence my comment about it being "stupid" to end the show in that matter; personally, I think it would ruin a good show and taint its memory if such an "in limbo" ending occurred..unless that ending opens the way for another spin-off and/or another season. If you think about it, with RDA'S reduced schedule this season, his departure would in essence, "kill" the show and bring it to a swift and neat end.

I believe therefore that the death of Jack, out of any of the other characters, would end the show on a poignant and powerful note; Jack's death, imo, would not have to be a sad affair as his death could symbolize everything he stood for and would almost bring the show "full circle" as, in the movie, Jack following the death of his son, was on the brink of suicide.

As for the idea being weird, I challenge that as other characters, most notably, Dr.Frasier and countless Jaffa have been killed and/or "killed off" in the history of the show...Jack dying therefore shouldn't seem to be weird.

Here are a few reasons why I believe some of the other characters should not die at the time of writing:

Teal'c-Teal'c has progressed a long way throughout the show, from deserting, saving and joining the SG1 to losing his symbiote in season 6 and hiding his believe that the Goa'uld could never be defeated. I believe therefore, it would be "unfair" for Teal'c to be killed given the scale of what he has achieved. The Guy simply doesn't deserve to die man!

Sam: Although the relationship between Jack and Sam has always been controversial we have never really seen their relationship "taken off"; despite what they have been through together. Sam's relationship with Pete seems to be on a more "higher" scale though no less complex with her relationship with Jack. Of course, there is denying that they have strong feelings for one another; this has been proved in numerous episodes. As for the fallout if Jack was die; not only would it be "interesting", albeit painful for Sam, i believe Sam could recover...men are lost in battle all the time after all. Again, I don't believe sam should be "killed off" given the scale of which (she) has accomplished.


Daniel: Daniel, has we saw in season 5, had already, to a degree, been "killed off"; following his ascension. Following the events of the pilot episode of season 7, Daniel was returned to human form having learned important lessons regarding his place and standing on our plane of existance. As O'Neill put it; "(perhaps)ascension (it is) over-rated".



And finally, Jack. Jack's background was a painful one; the impact of Charlie's death sent O'Neill into deep depression. In the movie, his orders were to give his life to destroy the Stargate with a nuclear weapon should he encounter any threats to Earth.Following the re-opening of the Stargate in 1997, it changed O'Neill's life. All fans, as I have obviously have seen from some of the posts, came to admire his kind heart, courageous spirit and his dry, witty humour- it was often the case that the joke was on him. Jack is willing to sacrifice his own life towards the protection of earth (as we have seen in at least 9 times) while safeguarding the lives of his team members. It is for that reason why I believe Jack's death would be poignant and powerful and would end the show in a slightly reflective, sombre yet powerful note; real heroes are men who fall and fail and are flawed, but win out in the end because they've stayed true to their ideals and beliefs and commitments to quote Kevin Costner.

I believe those words sum up Jack's character..of course..I am not saying that Jack hasn't "accomplished" anything; that would be naive and well, stupid.


Well, there you go! I have tried to be as acticulate as I can be so please feel free to say what you think about my view...

[trinity1013]

Jack's death, imo, would not have to be a sad affair as his death could symbolize everything he stood for and would almost bring the show "full circle"
(Almost) all other characters on the show love him, so it would be sad, no matter what. Sam got quite upset about the "way of the warrior crap" after Daniel's "death" already, so you know how she'd feel about Jack's death symbolizing everything he stood for. The only one who'd really appreciate that would be Teal'c, once again.



in the movie, Jack following the death of his son, was on the brink of suicide.
Yeah, but he recovered, started a new life and has progressed and has been doing (more or less) well ever since. That's exactly why this "full circle" thing doesn't work for me, something tragic had to happen once again to make him unstable again... then it'd be going back to the roots. Perhaps you do want to consider killing off Sam, after all? ;)



... came to admire his kind heart, courageous spirit and his dry, witty humour...
You're talking about him like he was already dead! ;)



...real heroes are men who fall and fail and are flawed, but win out in the end because they've stayed true to their ideals and beliefs and commitments to quote Kevin Costner.
... a quote coming from a man who failed quite notably. ;)

And there's no real "winning out" when you're dead, is there?

[ibwolf]

(Almost) all other characters on the show love him, so it would be sad, no matter what. Sam got quite upset about the "way of the warrior crap" after Daniel's "death" already, so you know how she'd feel about Jack's death symbolizing everything he stood for. The only one who'd really appreciate that would be Teal'c, once again.
Of course it would be sad (for the characters) but I still think that if done right - that is having him die a hero's death, sacrificing himself when there was no other way - it could work.

Sam would naturally be devistated. Teal'c, as you note, would understand and Jackson... hmm, good question, how would he deal with it?

The key to doing it right is to set up an almost unavoidable disaster. Do not linger on the death, don't have an extended death scene like they did with Daniel. Just a few seconds of close up on Jack when he realize what he must do. Add in a couple of shots to show that he is doing it not just to save the world, but also to save them (SG-1, allowing the inferrance that he's doing for Sam although that should not be stated explicitly).

[trinity1013]

...having him die a hero's death, sacrificing himself when there was no other way - it could work.
I think that's the only way it actually could work. What I mean by "work" is not p***ing off the majority of fans/viewers to such an extent that nobody will ever think of buying a DVD or watching reruns again. As I've already said, a meaningless death would really be... well, meaningless. ;)
But I think most of the fans would only accept it if the show went on, not as a tragic footnote just to not have a happy ending.



Sam would naturally be devistated. Teal'c, as you note, would understand and Jackson... hmm, good question, how would he deal with it?
He'd react similarly to Sam, I'd say. How he'd deal is another question, though. At first, perhaps by being angry with Jack for sacrificing himself and feeling guilty for not having done anything to prevent it. Then... I don't know really - there are not so many (almost)-precedents to judge from, are there?



Add in a couple of shots to show that he is doing it not just to save the world, but also to save them (SG-1, allowing the inferrance that he's doing for Sam although that should not be stated explicitly).
You know how to please a shipper's heart... ;)

[ibwolf]

But I think most of the fans would only accept it if the show went on, not as a tragic footnote just to not have a happy ending.
Agreed. Killing Jack in the last episode would be pointless (and also preclude any movies). It only makes sense if they need to write RDA out of the series.

If the possibility of a movie is being considered when they do end the show they can alway reveal that he had in fact not died but ascended and was now being kicked out for making one to many sarcastic comment.




You know how to please a shipper's heart... ;)
They should hire me to write this stuff :)

[michelleb]

If the possibility of a movie is being considered when they do end the show they can alway reveal that he had in fact not died but ascended and was now being kicked out for making one to many sarcastic comment.




They should hire me to write this stuff :)

yeah, i can just see that. glowy jack is sarcastic to oma 'oh good, i get to observe and do nothing again, this is so much fun..you'd know, i'd have more life if i were actually dead!'. next thing he knows, he's naked in a field, with a total lack of memory 'oh no, not again'

[trinity1013]

If the possibility of a movie is being considered when they do end the show they can alway reveal that he had in fact not died but ascended and was now being kicked out for making one to many sarcastic comment.
I don't like to be tricked, which is one reason I wouldn't like Jack ascending (and them having us believe he was dead). The other is that he's not the type for it. I'd think having him missing on some planet would even be better, although they already did that too often as well. They had to come up with something really original. Something involving the Asgard or once again the knowledge of the Ancients, perhaps. I had thought they'd build more of a story arc around the latter in "The Lost City", so as to be able to write RDA out of a few eps even.



They should hire me to write this stuff :)
Yep, I'd certainly recommend you. I think you'd do better than they did lately. They could use a bit "not making things too obvious/not stating things explicitly".



i'd have more life if i were actually dead!
*lol*

[ibwolf]

I don't like to be tricked, which is one reason I wouldn't like Jack ascending (and them having us believe he was dead).
That was meant to be humor on my part :)




Yep, I'd certainly recommend you. I think you'd do better than they did lately. They could use a bit "not making things too obvious/not stating things explicitly".
Well, thanks for the vote of confidence but I just checked the weather in hell and so far it isn't snowing so I guess I'm out of luck :)

[trinity1013]

That was meant to be humor on my part :)
Well, then it should have had a nice little ;) after it, shouldn't it? I actually thought so at first but couldn't find a ;) so I wasn't sure. You don't have to be that subtle, you know. ;) (and yes, I know that I overuse the ;))



Well, thanks for the vote of confidence but I just checked the weather in hell and so far it isn't snowing so I guess I'm out of luck :)
:D Well, who knows... perhaps they could use you on "Atlantis" one day...

[ibwolf]

You don't have to be that subtle, you know. ;)
As a matter of fact I do ;)