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auralan
March 24th, 2005, 01:08 PM
This is a pro Sam/Jack ship thread. Unlike the others, this is an OT and fluff free zone. It is only for discussion of Sam and Jack's relationship.

Fluffier discussions of shipper cookies, penguins, fanfic, and frou-frou drinks are welcome in the other two San/Jack threads: The classic Sam/Jack Ship Family Discussion Thread (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=8580) and the new Sam/Jack Shipper Resort (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=10391).

Chatter about life, the universe, and everything not Sam/Jack related is very welcome in The Chatter Thread (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=4507).

SNY
March 24th, 2005, 01:15 PM
At last! A good threat about their relationship! :D

Let begins this thread with this question:


What do you think is going to happen between them in season 9?

SNY :p

auralan
March 24th, 2005, 01:23 PM
At last! A good threat about their relationship! :D

Let begins this thread with this question:


What do you think is going to happen between them in season 9?

SNY :p

Season 9 spoilers, vague though they are:
I can't quite make up my mind on this. There's precious little information about what Sam is doing at the beginning of season 9. Jack is off running Homeworld security. Sam is not at the SGC and on another mission. She's said to be elsewhere for personal and professional reasons. It's the personal that gives me hope for ship. :D

I'm also glad to see RDA will be back for some guest work. That he's in two of the first few is a good sign in my book. He's clearly not retired completely as many have said and they're obviously willing to make it work since they've done some scenes with him in LA. I think we'll see him here and there throughout the season. I think there's a lot of potential for something shippy, but I suspect it will continue to be subtle. That seems the way it goes with our pair.

SNY
March 24th, 2005, 01:46 PM
Season 9 spoilers, vague though they are:
I can't quite make up my mind on this. There's precious little information about what Sam is doing at the beginning of season 9. Jack is off running Homeworld security. Sam is not at the SGC and on another mission. She's said to be elsewhere for personal and professional reasons. It's the personal that gives me hope for ship. :D

Season 9 Spoiler:
I have hope about the personal reason but I'm scared also because there is a possibility that she is going away to make a mission with the Tok'ra because of her father or something like go to another world for another mission because she needs time and space to think about her life. That is the worse possibility.



I'm also glad to see RDA will be back for some guest work. That he's in two of the first few is a good sign in my book. He's clearly not retired completely as many have said and they're obviously willing to make it work since they've done some scenes with him in LA. I think we'll see him here and there throughout the season. I think there's a lot of potential for something shippy, but I suspect it will continue to be subtle. That seems the way it goes with our pair.


Season 9 Spoiler:
I always knew that he was going to appear in season 9. I believe that he will appear in some episodes at the beginning and to end of season they will do something so that he also appears again and we will have some nice shippy scenes between Carter and O'Neill. It will not be very obvious, but I believe that we will even obtain a real kiss..

SNY :D

auralan
March 24th, 2005, 01:59 PM
Season 9 Spoiler:
I always knew that he was going to appear in season 9. I believe that he will appear in some episodes at the beginning and to end of season they will do something so that he also appears again and we will have some nice shippy scenes between Carter and O'Neill. It will not be very obvious, but I believe that we will even obtain a real kiss..

SNY :D

Season 9 spoilers I really hope you're right on this! It's been way too long without a real one. We have gotten the various not so real ones at the rate of about one a season, so it's almost reasonable to think we'll get something along those lines. :D

florence
March 24th, 2005, 02:07 PM
At last! A good threat about their relationship! :D

Let begins this thread with this question:


What do you think is going to happen between them in season 9?

SNY :p

Well I think that Season 9
with Jack in the first episodes but with no Sam, I don't know how TPTB could do ship.
Then when Sam comes back, Jack won't be there anymore. So I don't know how TPTB could do ship (do you hear an echo here ? ;) )
But I would love to be surprised !
For instance, I would love to hear Jack saying something like that : "I'm sorry guys but Sam couldn't come here cause she's got too much work in Washington. But I'll make sure to give her all the kisses you want to send her" :D

Token
March 24th, 2005, 02:08 PM
Season 9 spoilers I really hope you're right on this! It's been way too long without a real one. We have gotten the various not so real ones at the rate of about one a season, so it's almost reasonable to think we'll get something along those lines. :D
Well, FCOL! Season 9 Is there any other option other than a real one? I mean, they have done the virus, alternate reality, time loop, hallucination, alternate time stuff! What else could there be??? Wait! I forget this is SciFi! :rolleyes: hmmm...They could go with clones! :eek: :p

I hope your right about one a season! I'll take it!


BTW...I'm glad you started this thread. We are allowed to be funny, right? :S :)

Lord Zedd
March 24th, 2005, 02:10 PM
Season 9 spoilers I really hope you're right on this! It's been way too long without a real one. We have gotten the various not so real ones at the rate of about one a season, so it's almost reasonable to think we'll get something along those lines. :D
I keeping my fingers crossed :D Next question: do you think that we'll get to see Sam spending the night with Jack.Here is my thought :D
Perhaps in Avalon that we see Sam sleeping and than her phone cell goes off.Something urgent.She says she has got to go and than we get a shot of someone lying right next to her:JACK

Shipperahoy
March 24th, 2005, 02:20 PM
Season 9 spoilers...well maybe. Better safe then sorry I guess.
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the episodes that RDA is going to be in appear, thus far, to be episodes where AT is gone? I really hope that he comes back when she's back as well. They really need to do something with their relationship. I'm really over the vague stuff. And AMEN on a real actual honest to goodness kiss. I'm not one who thinks that they need to get married and have kids or have a bedroom scene or anything huge but an actual kiss might be nice after 8 years. It's kind of funny cuz my ship expectations have always been pretty low and I'm disapointed with season 8 so I wonder how people who wanted more are feeling?

Lord Zedd
March 24th, 2005, 02:23 PM
Season 9 spoilers...well maybe. Better safe then sorry I guess.
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the episodes that RDA is going to be in appear, thus far, to be episodes where AT is gone? I really hope that he comes back when she's back as well. They really need to do something with their relationship. I'm really over the vague stuff. And AMEN on a real actual honest to goodness kiss. I'm not one who thinks that they need to get married and have kids or have a bedroom scene or anything huge but an actual kiss might be nice after 8 years. It's kind of funny cuz my ship expectations have always been pretty low and I'm disapointed with season 8 so I wonder how people who wanted more are feeling?
Yeah It bothers me a lot that this is going to happen while Sam is gone we get to see Jack so how are we able to expect some shippy moments:(

SNY
March 24th, 2005, 02:23 PM
Season 9 spoilers I really hope you're right on this! It's been way too long without a real one. We have gotten the various not so real ones at the rate of about one a season, so it's almost reasonable to think we'll get something along those lines. :D


Season 9 spoilers:
They have played too much with this relationship, extending it too much without ending it and all the fans are tired. So what I think is that in season 9 they will give us the resolution on this plot that has lasted many years. Like for example a real kiss or some proof that makes us see that they are together. I don't want to see a wedding or Carter calling O'Neill "darling" or "honey"... But I can agree in Carter get pregnant, it would be a great argument to explore...

SNY

auralan
March 24th, 2005, 02:26 PM
Well, FCOL! Season 9 Is there any other option other than a real one? I mean, they have done the virus, alternate reality, time loop, hallucination, alternate time stuff! What else could there be??? Wait! I forget this is SciFi! :rolleyes: hmmm...They could go with clones! :eek: :p

Season 9 spoilers?
Or amnesia, those mimic device thingys (although I would laugh really hard if it was somehow McKay using it), virtual reality, robots, unstuck in time ... the options are limitless. Lets hope they don't take it as a challenge to find more ways to make it not count. I like my running jokes more in the vein of Murphy Brown's revolving secretaries. Real would be delightful.


BTW...I'm glad you started this thread. We are allowed to be funny, right? :S :)

Funny is always welcome in my book. :D

Oma-1
March 24th, 2005, 02:39 PM
Season 9 spoilers...well maybe. Better safe then sorry I guess.
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the episodes that RDA is going to be in appear, thus far, to be episodes where AT is gone? I really hope that he comes back when she's back as well. They really need to do something with their relationship. I'm really over the vague stuff. And AMEN on a real actual honest to goodness kiss. I'm not one who thinks that they need to get married and have kids or have a bedroom scene or anything huge but an actual kiss might be nice after 8 years. It's kind of funny cuz my ship expectations have always been pretty low and I'm disapointed with season 8 so I wonder how people who wanted more are feeling?
I was a bit concerned initially S9 with RDA's eps being announced for the beginning, but like others, I think we'll see more of Jack through the season - even if only small parts. I'm gonna hold out for ship, though I don't expect much. I expected waaaaaay more than I got in S8 and was bitterly disappointed with how much was left up to the imagination at the end of Threads and Moebius. This season, I'm going in with MB's huge rose tinted glasses, and am gonna appreciate every little bit I get.

I'll be happy with the slightest acknowledgement of a relationship :) (Of course, I'm still holding out for that honkin big kiss with our own, no AU or AI or ALT, real, honest to goodness Sam & Jack;) )

Token
March 24th, 2005, 02:44 PM
I was a bit concerned initially S9 with RDA's eps being announced for the beginning, but like others, I think we'll see more of Jack through the season - even if only small parts. I'm gonna hold out for ship, though I don't expect much. I expected waaaaaay more than I got in S8 and was bitterly disappointed with how much was left up to the imagination at the end of Threads and Moebius. This season, I'm going in with MB's huge rose tinted glasses, and am gonna appreciate every little bit I get.

I'll be happy with the slightest acknowledgement of a relationship :) (Of course, I'm still holding out for that honkin big kiss with our own, no AU or AI or ALT, real, honest to goodness Sam & Jack;) )

Season 9 My only hope is in what AT said about S/J relationship having "somewhere to go" in Season 9. It takes two to make a relationship go anywhere. :rolleyes: I'm liking that they are filming in LA. Maybe they are using the West Wing's set! :D

girlgater
March 24th, 2005, 03:48 PM
Well, I agree that a kiss would be great--the ultimate. At the least, I'd like to see them do a personal phone call...something with Jack cooking dinner and Sam on her way home and some sort of sweet affectionate talk. Acutally, I'd settle for any open, demonstrative sign of affection and an off base relationship. :D :D

dipsofjazz
March 24th, 2005, 04:08 PM
Well, I'm with you all. All I want is...
A Great Big Honkin' Kiss!
We've been through everything else, and it's all been hinted at. Now I need to see it! :D

ann_sgcfan
March 24th, 2005, 04:28 PM
Season 9 My only hope is in what AT said about S/J relationship having "somewhere to go" in Season 9. It takes two to make a relationship go anywhere. :rolleyes: I'm liking that they are filming in LA. Maybe they are using the West Wing's set! :D


They are filming some in LA? Is this offical? This great because that could mean more RDA, but it's also troublesome because then RDA will not need to be in Canada to film. :( Here is my 2 cents worth. I don't think the writers can be anything but vague (alternate universe, virus, etc.) but maybe they will hint at a relationship by Sam talking to Jack on the phone (Citizen Joe style) or making plans for a long weekend. This will make me happy for half a season, but I would like to see a real kiss between our Jack and Sam.

Blaise
March 24th, 2005, 05:58 PM
At last! A good threat about their relationship! :D

Let begins this thread with this question:


What do you think is going to happen between them in season 9?

SNY :p

I'm just gonna write it all in tags anyway, juuuust to be safe!

My biggest hope for what's going to happen between them, is one(actualy hundreds in my wildest fantasies lol) big REAL kiss. Plus just a lot of subtle 'we're a couple' type things. I love the subtle stuff as much as I love the in your face stuff.

I feel a little more hopeful knowing RDA is doing at least 2 guests to begin with. I'm thin king that since they're filming them in LA, that so long as they continue to bring the cameras to him, he'll continue to be involved in the show where ever possible. Buuuut that also doesn't give me a lot of hope about Sams story for her absence. If AT isn't there to film with RDA, we wont be seeing much shippiness i guess. But does anyone remember the story about RDA and AT going back to film some stuff after Moebius had wrapped up? Did we ever find out what they did there? Was it stuff for moebius, or was it for s9? (i'm hoping for the latter personally ;) ) Or did it not happen at all?

ChevronSeven
March 24th, 2005, 06:09 PM
Season 9 spoilers...well maybe. Better safe then sorry I guess.
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the episodes that RDA is going to be in appear, thus far, to be episodes where AT is gone? I really hope that he comes back when she's back as well. They really need to do something with their relationship. I'm really over the vague stuff. And AMEN on a real actual honest to goodness kiss. I'm not one who thinks that they need to get married and have kids or have a bedroom scene or anything huge but an actual kiss might be nice after 8 years. It's kind of funny cuz my ship expectations have always been pretty low and I'm disapointed with season 8 so I wonder how people who wanted more are feeling?

I am in total agreement with you Shipperahoy. Season 9 speculation? I'm also not one for a huge declaration. I think that after 8 years, we've gotten our declaration. I would like to see an honest to goodness kiss. Sam is no longer under Jack's direct chain of command. Therefore, bring on the relationship!! Let's see how each one deals with a long-distance romance. Have RDA appear towards the last part of the season - episode 16 or 17. Something. I've been pretty laid back as far as wanting something. I'd certainly be happy with a kiss.

Threads That scene in the observation room. Holy Hannah! That was such an incredible scene. This was worth putting up with Pete.

UhSir
March 24th, 2005, 07:07 PM
Threads That scene in the observation room. Holy Hannah! That was such an incredible scene. This was worth putting up with Pete.

Well I couldn't find these Shipper threads earlier but tonight I've already found TWO! I'm in heaven.

Season 9 Wishes:
How about a scene like the cuddling in Threads only this time at Jack's cabin in front of the fire? Oh my, is it me or is the room spinning... THUNK!

So, how can I get in touch with the Wish Fairy?

majorsal
March 24th, 2005, 09:55 PM
But does anyone remember the story about RDA and AT going back to film some stuff after Moebius had wrapped up? Did we ever find out what they did there? Was it stuff for moebius, or was it for s9? (i'm hoping for the latter personally ;) ) Or did it not happen at all?



spoilers for s8 and spoiler/speculation for s9
I remember that quite fine. :p From what I've read about Moeb 2, I don't see what the two of them would have filmed alone that needed to be added on the ep. Meaning, maybe them being called back was to set up season 9??? I'm actually scared of hoping for that, because I'm tired of getting burned. And run over. And beaten up. And kicked in the face. And other icky stuff. But I'm still hoping! :p (will I ever learn? :p)

Sally :D

Token
March 25th, 2005, 07:11 AM
spoilers for s8 and spoiler/speculation for s9
I remember that quite fine. :p From what I've read about Moeb 2, I don't see what the two of them would have filmed alone that needed to be added on the ep. Meaning, maybe them being called back was to set up season 9??? I'm actually scared of hoping for that, because I'm tired of getting burned. And run over. And beaten up. And kicked in the face. And other icky stuff. But I'm still hoping! :p (will I ever learn? :p)

Sally :D
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_4_100.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSzfw003) I know how you feel! It is the endless plight of a Shipper to always have HOPE! Life without hope is ....well...hopeless. :p Here's to Sam and Jack in Season 9. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_3_18.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSzfw003) Remember when we kept waiting for the "ideal" dream sequence that was supposedly filmed with RDA? :rolleyes: But hope springs eternal! And all those other cliches! :p

auralan
March 25th, 2005, 07:36 AM
I keeping my fingers crossed :D Next question: do you think that we'll get to see Sam spending the night with Jack.Here is my thought :D
Perhaps in Avalon that we see Sam sleeping and than her phone cell goes off.Something urgent.She says she has got to go and than we get a shot of someone lying right next to her:JACK

Season 9 spoilers.

I'd love to see a scene like that, but I doubt it would be in Avalon. Amanda is on leave for the early episodes and likely won't appear in them. Still, there's nothing preventing something like that in a later episode. Say, the one where she returns? :D :D :D

auralan
March 25th, 2005, 07:52 AM
I'm just gonna write it all in tags anyway, juuuust to be safe!

My biggest hope for what's going to happen between them, is one(actualy hundreds in my wildest fantasies lol) big REAL kiss. Plus just a lot of subtle 'we're a couple' type things. I love the subtle stuff as much as I love the in your face stuff.

I feel a little more hopeful knowing RDA is doing at least 2 guests to begin with. I'm thin king that since they're filming them in LA, that so long as they continue to bring the cameras to him, he'll continue to be involved in the show where ever possible. Buuuut that also doesn't give me a lot of hope about Sams story for her absence. If AT isn't there to film with RDA, we wont be seeing much shippiness i guess. But does anyone remember the story about RDA and AT going back to film some stuff after Moebius had wrapped up? Did we ever find out what they did there? Was it stuff for moebius, or was it for s9? (i'm hoping for the latter personally ;) ) Or did it not happen at all?



Season 8 spoilers: I think the being called back to film bit was a misunderstanding surrounding filming running over the initial schedule. I don't think anybody was actually called back so much as worked later than originally planned. The Moebius II kiss scene was done as part of regular filming. They definitely extended regular filming a couple weeks it disrupted convention appearances. The being called back bit was all rumor in the first place, so it's rather hard to pin down exactly.

I'm not worried now that we have the news RDA is appearing in some episodes. It sounds like he has filmed some in LA and gone to Vancouver for other bits, so anything is possible. I just hope more spoilers leak soon. They're rather scarce this season and I hate not knowing!

auralan
March 25th, 2005, 10:01 AM
From Joe in the ask Joe Thread:

season 7 & 8 very vague spoilers Chimera through Threads: The question: "Why have you continued this Sam/Jack thing to the point of nausea?"

Joe's answer: "Are you sure you're not referring to the cutesy-wootsy Carter/Pete relationship? That's the one that made me a little woozy."

ROTFLMAO!

It's good to know we're not alone.

I love Joe.

Shipperahoy
March 25th, 2005, 10:34 AM
I just read that and LMAO. It's going to irritate quite a few people but I found it hugely amusing. Not to mention that Joe's an incredibly good sport for answering that entire post considering it's somewhat antogonistic nature. Now if he'll just answer any question about S/J in season 9 I'll be an incredibly happy camper.

auralan
March 25th, 2005, 10:47 AM
I just read that and LMAO. It's going to irritate quite a few people but I found it hugely amusing. Not to mention that Joe's an incredibly good sport for answering that entire post considering it's somewhat antogonistic nature. Now if he'll just answer any question about S/J in season 9 I'll be an incredibly happy camper.

I don't think there was any way Joe could answer that sort of question without irritating somebody. It was a classic "Have you stopped beating your wife?" sort of question. I do feel some sympathy for those on the other side. I'm in that situation in another fandom now where canon is going somewhere I had hoped it never would, but it's not going to stop me from giggling at Joe's answer. I'm going to enjoy this one while it lasts. :D

My fingers are crossed that he'll answer your question. Unfortunately, even if he does answer, it will probably be vague. Vague and subtle is the way of this pairing.

girlgater
March 25th, 2005, 11:30 AM
It does appear that this relationship is primarily based on hungry looks, kisses in alternate realities and everything else that can be considered gray. Perhaps in S9 we'll get something definitive!! :D

elhSG1
March 25th, 2005, 11:53 AM
I think it's pretty obvious that they are together, I do not believe TPTB would have wasted a good part of an episode just for them to break it off with their significant others and have nothing happen between them. To me that would have been a waste of an episode and I don't think they would do that. So, I believe that their relationship will be addressed in season 9, who knows maybe Jack will say something in the first episode that leads everyone to believe they are together. I also speculate that RDA will be in more than 2 episodes, I don't think they would have him in just the beginning of the season if he's doing more than 1 episode. Hey and they finally went fishing, yay! :D

Shipperahoy
March 25th, 2005, 01:08 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that they are together, I do not believe TPTB would have wasted a good part of an episode just for them to break it off with their significant others and have nothing happen between them. To me that would have been a waste of an episode and I don't think they would do that. So, I believe that their relationship will be addressed in season 9, who knows maybe Jack will say something in the first episode that leads everyone to believe they are together. I also speculate that RDA will be in more than 2 episodes, I don't think they would have him in just the beginning of the season if he's doing more than 1 episode. Hey and they finally went fishing, yay! :D

Some season 8 spoilers and Season 9 speculation
It's not that I don't think that they'll be together in some shape or form, it's that I'm not particularly happy with the tip toe, riding the fence, can't make up our minds way that they seem to be doing it. I really enjoyed Threads. I was thrilled with it. Sam finally got rid of Pete (I did feel kind of sorry for him though) and Jack realized that his feeling for Sam would get in the way of other relationships and there was the great infirmary scene moment. But I viewed it as more of a prequel for bigger and better things. That's why I was so disapointed with Moebius. Now that RDA has signed on to do at least a couple of eps for next season that puts my mind a little more at ease but I still worry that everything will happen entirely off screen and that's not what I've been waiting 8 years for. Like I've said before, I don't need some huge romantic episode, I don't need a bedroom scene, I don't need to see them get married and have kids. I just want to see the situation addressed in a clear and adult manner that leaves no room for interpretation. Either they're together or they're not. I don't want to have to wonder about it.

SNY
March 25th, 2005, 01:31 PM
Some season 8 spoilers and Season 9 speculation
It's not that I don't think that they'll be together in some shape or form, it's that I'm not particularly happy with the tip toe, riding the fence, can't make up our minds way that they seem to be doing it. I really enjoyed Threads. I was thrilled with it. Sam finally got rid of Pete (I did feel kind of sorry for him though) and Jack realized that his feeling for Sam would get in the way of other relationships and there was the great infirmary scene moment. But I viewed it as more of a prequel for bigger and better things. That's why I was so disapointed with Moebius. Now that RDA has signed on to do at least a couple of eps for next season that puts my mind a little more at ease but I still worry that everything will happen entirely off screen and that's not what I've been waiting 8 years for. Like I've said before, I don't need some huge romantic episode, I don't need a bedroom scene, I don't need to see them get married and have kids. I just want to see the situation addressed in a clear and adult manner that leaves no room for interpretation. Either they're together or they're not. I don't want to have to wonder about it.

Spoilers:
Reading some spoilers from season 9 I think It's going to be difficult to see a shippy scene at the beginning of season 9. Maybe some nice coment from some character like Daniel , teal'c or even O'Neill that it could give us something.

We are going to have more possibilities when Carter returns and maybe at the end of the season have a real scene between them.

But I'm sure that we are going to have to continue waiting in order to have some resolution



SNY :D

majorsal
March 25th, 2005, 05:32 PM
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_4_100.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSzfw003) I know how you feel! It is the endless plight of a Shipper to always have HOPE! Life without hope is ....well...hopeless. :p Here's to Sam and Jack in Season 9. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_3_18.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSzfw003) Remember when we kept waiting for the "ideal" dream sequence that was supposedly filmed with RDA? :rolleyes: But hope springs eternal! And all those other cliches! :p

That's something that I've meant to bring up, but keep forgetting. :rolleyes:

spoilers for s8's gemini
Could the dream sequence Amanda was talking about be in Gemini, when RepCarter was trying not to kill fake-Jack when she was showing our Sam the hell she'd went through?

Sally :)

auralan
March 26th, 2005, 06:01 AM
That's something that I've meant to bring up, but keep forgetting. :rolleyes:

spoilers for s8's gemini
Could the dream sequence Amanda was talking about be in Gemini, when RepCarter was trying not to kill fake-Jack when she was showing our Sam the hell she'd went through?

Sally :)

Season 8 through Gemini spoilers: I suppose it could, but there's nothing particularly idyllic about that scene. I'm beginning to think those who speculated that quote from Amanda was actually two separate and unrelated statements put together were right. That or something got cut, which seems unlikely since there were few enough RDA scenes to start. *shrugs* Unless somebody asks her at a convention, I doubt we'll ever know.

girlgater
March 26th, 2005, 07:56 AM
Ok. After watching M2 last night, I have a question... When Jack carried off the ZPM and told Sam that she had packing to do, What Packing? If this question has already been discussed and answered, overlook me. I must have missed it. I'd like to think they were heading off somewhere together--perhaps to D.C., or his place--the cabin for an overnight/weekend stay?

Thanks in advance for possible answers! :D

Shipperahoy
March 26th, 2005, 08:31 AM
Ok. After watching M2 last night, I have a question... When Jack carried off the ZPM and told Sam that she had packing to do, What Packing? If this question has already been discussed and answered, overlook me. I must have missed it. I'd like to think they were heading off somewhere together--perhaps to D.C., or his place--the cabin for an overnight/weekend stay?

Thanks in advance for possible answers! :D

We've been discussing and speculating on that ever since it aired in the UK. It seems to have been left purposefully vague, a fact that bugs me to no end.
Some people think he was just referring to the fishing trip that the whole team was on at the end of the episode and some people choose to think that they're going off together or moving in together. Sadly, I think it was the former. Though I really wish it wasn't.

ForeverSg1
March 26th, 2005, 10:20 AM
I'm not really sure where the writers are going to take the Sam and Jack relationship in season nine. From what I have seen in the past four-five episodes, I can definitely see a change in their relationship. It's a new comfort level.

They have suddenly gone from a high school crush relationship to nearly one of a couple who have been together for eight years.

In Threads we got the infirmary scene together and as much as I loved hearing Jack saying 'Always' the part that stands out in my mind was seeing Jack's arm around Sam's shoulder, Sam's clutching Jack's hand in her own with that gentle caress of her thumb over the top of his hand. I know some people were disappointed they didn't see a kiss, but that caress was much more intimitate that anything we have really seen between them thus far. It was their first mutual, open show of affection, without a virus or loop that we have been given: and in my mind it said it all.

In Moebius I, the writers purposely gave us a tiny subtle moment with their hands gently touching during the briefing room scene. I loved how Sam spoke to Jack in Egypt. There was a new found comfort level between them. They allowed Sam to still be in charge of SG-1, giving orders and reminding all three guys what their mission was, but still allowed Sam to tease Jack a bit. There was still respect, but there wasn't any of the awkward, uncomfortable tension between them anymore.

I know a lot of people felt as if Sam has spent the past two years pinning over Jack, but I loved how different Jack's body language, gestures and tone of voice towards Sam changed by the end of MII. It was soft and affectionate in an almost sing song manner, both when he told her she had packing to do, as well as at the lake when he told her they shouldn't dwell at not having done it earlier.

RDA has said in past interviews that at the end of the series, he always pictured Jack O'Neill retiring and his cabin and fishing with Sam. AT has always said that she knows Carter loves O'Neill. JM stated recently in his thread that the relationshp between Sam and Jack has been part of the storyline well before Divide and Conquer. This is a relationship that wasn't just made up by a select group of individuals who wanted to see 'ship' between Sam and Jack. This is something that the writers and actors have spent eight years building up. We knew there couldn't be anything substantial between them until one or both retired or moved into a new position. Season nine is Sam and Jack's year.

We know Sam and Jack are not good at discussing their feelings. Jack's marriage to Sara ended because he wasn't capable of openly expressing his feelings. We saw that in 'Cold Lazarus'. I don't think we will ever see this big scene with both of them confessing their undying love for one another. We basically got that already in D&C, and through snippets over the past four years.

Now, will we get the big steamy love scene? Doubt it. But to be honest, I was disappointed with that scene in Chimera, not because it was with Pete, but because I just didn't see Sam behaving like herself. If we do see Sam and Jack into a relationship in season nine, I don't want it to be written like a soap opera. Subtle is good. I'd much rather see pictures of Jack in her office throughout the year, an occassional phone call, or if we are really lucky seeing them wake up together like we did with Jack and Kerry. Hot and heavy is great for fanfic, but it's really not something I want to watch on Stargate.

I love the Sam/Jack shippy moments just like everyone else, but I'm already losing one of my favorite characters from the show. I'm not a shipper. I'm a Sam and Jack shipper. I can't -- wont just turn off the show when it becomes boring and move on to my next ship. It's not the relationship I love so much, it's the characters themselves. I don't want them to continue to write Sam the way they have been doing over the past two years. I want to see her strong, independent, and in charge again. I'm not sure I'm willing to give up that in order for her to be with Jack. I just hope the writers are capable of giving us both without one storyline or the other suffering. :(


By the way, I'm so happy you started this thread.

I want to believe that this is only the beginning for Sam and Jack. In my heart, they have committed themselves heart and soul to one another already. With a little luck, we'll finally get to see them happy with each other onscreen. A kiss would be wonderful... a wedding ring even better
...but I won't hold my breath for either. ;) :)

ForeverSG1

UhSir
March 26th, 2005, 11:42 AM
...snips..

They have suddenly gone from a high school crush relationship to nearly one of a couple who have been together for eight years.

...more snips...

Now, will we get the big steamy love scene? Doubt it. But to be honest, I was disappointed with that scene in Chimera, not because it was with Pete, but because I just didn't see Sam behaving like herself. If we do see Sam and Jack into a relationship in season nine, I don't want it to be written like a soap opera. Subtle is good. I'd much rather see pictures of Jack in her office throughout the year, an occassional phone call, or if we are really lucky seeing them wake up together like we did with Jack and Kerry. Hot and heavy is great for fanfic, but it's really not something I want to watch on Stargate.

...more snips...



Wow! Your message obviously comes from your heart. And I kept saying, Yep, to everything.

I love the way they have developed the relationship through the years. They have been through ups/downs, ons/offs, bonding/heartbreak just like real-life and unlike a soap-opera.

Chimera
That Sam/Pete wrestling match was very awkward. My husband, who is a bigger Sam/Jack shipper than me, felt sorry for Pete there. "Poor guy didn't realize he opened a floodgate, did he? Sam has a lot of pent-up frustration over Jack but that kid can't help her. He's a trooper for trying though." Yes, I punched him in the shoulder for that.

I don't want that kind of scene with Jack and Sam. It just doesn't fit either of them.


I like what is happening with Jack and Sam and I look forward to season 9.

auralan
March 26th, 2005, 12:57 PM
Chimera
That Sam/Pete wrestling match was very awkward. My husband, who is a bigger Sam/Jack shipper than me, felt sorry for Pete there. "Poor guy didn't realize he opened a floodgate, did he? Sam has a lot of pent-up frustration over Jack but that kid can't help her. He's a trooper for trying though." Yes, I punched him in the shoulder for that.

I don't want that kind of scene with Jack and Sam. It just doesn't fit either of them.


Season 9 speculation: I agree, that kind of scene isn't what I want to see, either. It brings up an interesting question, though: What kind of scene would you like to see in season 9 between Sam and Jack to confirm that the UST has become RST?

Personally, at this point, I'm not picky. Anything concrete would do. If it included an honest to goodness kiss they both get to remember, I'd be doing an embarrassing happy dance in my living room.

parsifal
March 26th, 2005, 02:04 PM
Season 9 speculation: I agree, that kind of scene isn't what I want to see, either. It brings up an interesting question, though: What kind of scene would you like to see in season 9 between Sam and Jack to confirm that the UST has become RST?

Personally, at this point, I'm not picky. Anything concrete would do. If it included an honest to goodness kiss they both get to remember, I'd be doing an embarrassing happy dance in my living room.

I don't think these thoughts count as spoilers, but I'll put them in tags anyway. S9

I personally wouldn't turn down HWMS, marriage or a baby, but I hold out no hope of seeing them. Even though we deserve something monumental after what we've endured.

What I think we could should see is something with absolutely zero room for alternative explanations. The scene should demonstrate that Sam and Jack are in a fully-committed relationship and that they're comfortable with it. The time for awkwardness has long since passed. A playful, early-morning domestic scene could work. Preferrably still in pajamas (opportunity for comedy there: maybe Sam in a Simpsons top). It should be clear that it's a regular occurance (I'd say living together, but I don't know if that will be possible now that they banished Jack to D.C.). In terms of affection, I'd like to see a few things, none of them outrageous. Maybe a quick peck to start; some dialogue while Jack is standing with his arms around Sam; then a kiss equal to the passion of the "Grace" one, but longer. Close the exchange with some kind of funny comment (preferrably from Sam).

I'd also like to see the relationship acknowledged in public. This could be S&J holding hands or just a verbal comment from say, Daniel, maybe one that you'd expect to embarrass Sam, but just provokes pride and amusement. Sam could even respond with a comment that embarrasses Daniel (i.e., TMI). Regardless, I want it clear that Sam's not looking to downplay it.

Having written all this out, I realize we're probably not going to get 1% of it. It was nice to think about, though.

SNY
March 26th, 2005, 02:11 PM
Season 9 speculation: I agree, that kind of scene isn't what I want to see, either. It brings up an interesting question, though: What kind of scene would you like to see in season 9 between Sam and Jack to confirm that the UST has become RST?

Personally, at this point, I'm not picky. Anything concrete would do. If it included an honest to goodness kiss they both get to remember, I'd be doing an embarrassing happy dance in my living room.


Speculation:
I would be happy with a kiss and a hug. But I want something! I don't want speculations, I want the truth... And I think We will get something at the beginning, like nice phone call, a a shippy dialogue ...

SNY :p

SNY
March 26th, 2005, 02:21 PM
I don't think these thoughts count as spoilers, but I'll put them in tags anyway. S9


What I think we could should see is something with absolutely zero room for alternative explanations. The scene should demonstrate that Sam and Jack are in a fully-committed relationship and that they're comfortable with it. The time for awkwardness has long since passed. A playful, early-morning domestic scene could work. Preferrably still in pajamas (opportunity for comedy there: maybe Sam in a Simpsons top). It should be clear that it's a regular occurance (I'd say living together, but I don't know if that will be possible now that they banished Jack to D.C.). In terms of affection, I'd like to see a few things, none of them outrageous. Maybe a quick peck to start; some dialogue while Jack is standing with his arms around Sam; then a kiss equal to the passion of the "Grace" one, but longer. Close the exchange with some kind of funny comment (preferrably from Sam).

I'd also like to see the relationship acknowledged in public. This could be S&J holding hands or just a verbal comment from say, Daniel, maybe one that you'd expect to embarrass Sam, but just provokes pride and amusement. Sam could even respond with a comment that embarrasses Daniel (i.e., TMI). Regardless, I want it clear that Sam's not looking to downplay it.

Having written all this out, I realize we're probably not going to get 1% of it. It was nice to think about, though.

Season 9 speculation:

I like your idea! The domestic scene is very nice! But it's difficult to me imagine a scene of them holding hands in public or living together :S...

SNY

parsifal
March 26th, 2005, 02:32 PM
Season 9 speculation:

I like your idea! The domestic scene is very nice! But it's difficult to me imagine a scene of them holding hands in public or living together

SNY

I don't know, I could see the group gathered at Jack's house (if he still has it :rolleyes: ) in his living room, ala "Lost City". Jack brings Sam a beer and sits down next to her on the couch. He surreptitiously takes her free hand, she gives him a questioning look, he arches an eyebrow, they grin at each other.

Regarding living together: If the logistics are in place, for what are they waiting?

SNY
March 26th, 2005, 03:47 PM
I don't know, I could see the group gathered at Jack's house (if he still has it :rolleyes: ) in his living room, ala "Lost City". Jack brings Sam a beer and sits down next to her on the couch. He surreptitiously takes her free hand, she gives him a questioning look, he arches an eyebrow, they grin at each other.

Regarding living together: If the logistics are in place, for what are they waiting?

I can imagine the scene but I think it's going to be difficult to see it in season 9 :(

SNY :S

auralan
March 26th, 2005, 04:20 PM
I can imagine the scene but I think it's going to be difficult to see it in season 9 :(

SNY :S

That just gave me an idea. Season 9 wild spec: What if, even with Jack gone, we see Sam living in his house? It's an easy way to hint at ship without RDA around....

Blaise
March 26th, 2005, 05:14 PM
That just gave me an idea. Season 9 wild spec: What if, even with Jack gone, we see Sam living in his house? It's an easy way to hint at ship without RDA around....
I like this idea very very much!! Me, I'm easy, I'll take whatever ship I can get.

jafacakes
March 26th, 2005, 05:35 PM
Spoilers:
Reading some spoilers from season 9 I think It's going to be difficult to see a shippy scene at the beginning of season 9. Maybe some nice coment from some character like Daniel , teal'c or even O'Neill that it could give us something.

We are going to have more possibilities when Carter returns and maybe at the end of the season have a real scene between them.

But I'm sure that we are going to have to continue waiting in order to have some resolution



SNY :D

Joe Mallozzi answered my question :D ( don't know why it makes me so happy but it does, even if I don't like his answer that much). Anyway I asked if he could expand on his earlier answer that the absence of Sam and Jack was going to be adressed in the first episode and he said
- It's business rather than personal
:( so I'll guess we will have to wait longer to get any confirmation that they are together.

DarkQuee1
March 26th, 2005, 05:53 PM
Joe Mallozzi answered my question :D ( don't know why it makes me so happy but it does, even if I don't like his answer that much). Anyway I asked if he could expand on his earlier answer that the absence of Sam and Jack was going to be adressed in the first episode and he said
- It's business rather than personal
:( so I'll guess we will have to wait longer to get any confirmation that they are together.


Well, there's a limit on how long I'll wait. It's been eight years and, with Jack gone, ship is moved completely offscreen anyway--thereby defusing the public complaints of the anti's (though we know the real reasons the majority of the anti-S/J shippers took that position)--so there's no reason not to give shippers the resolution of knowing that the relationship is actually going to move forward. If they didn't have the cojones to follow the thread through to its conclusion, they should have ended it years ago and not strung us along to keep us watching. If they had ended it in season 5, for example, there would still have been sufficient reasons for me to keep watching.

Now, though, if they screw us, I will have seen my last episode of either SG1 or Atlantis.


J.

girlgater
March 26th, 2005, 06:17 PM
That just gave me an idea. Season 9 wild spec: What if, even with Jack gone, we see Sam living in his house? It's an easy way to hint at ship without RDA around....

I love this idea! :D

majorsal
March 26th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Wow! Your message obviously comes from your heart. And I kept saying, Yep, to everything.

I love the way they have developed the relationship through the years. They have been through ups/downs, ons/offs, bonding/heartbreak just like real-life and unlike a soap-opera.

Chimera
That Sam/Pete wrestling match was very awkward. My husband, who is a bigger Sam/Jack shipper than me, felt sorry for Pete there. "Poor guy didn't realize he opened a floodgate, did he? Sam has a lot of pent-up frustration over Jack but that kid can't help her. He's a trooper for trying though." Yes, I punched him in the shoulder for that.

I don't want that kind of scene with Jack and Sam. It just doesn't fit either of them.


I like what is happening with Jack and Sam and I look forward to season 9.

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I'm going to open myself up here for some red dinging, but I'm going to say this anyways. I thought David D was very miscast in the part of Pete. Being attracted to someone is in they eye of the beholder, but I felt literal zero VAVOOM! for Pete/DDL. I think that's 'part' of why their relay felt so off to me, because I could not see for one second Sam falling for someone like that. Sam can choose from Bloomingdales, and she picked up her item at Walmart. I know, this is sounding mean (I'm psming, so crying, murder, and rapture can all happen within the same breath :p). I'm also not meaning to slam DDL, but I just couldn't buy him as Pete the guy Sam lusts for. I'd also be saying this if Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise had played Pete. They do literally nothing for me (especially Brad). Why am I bring this all up? Because I couldn't relate to Sam's motivations concerning Pete. At all.


Sally :)

Onlybluesocks
March 26th, 2005, 07:24 PM
What I would love to see is something subtle that still makes it obvious. I couldnt stand a bedroom scene. I would scream and run. A kiss between them is too obvious. Come now, wouldnt that ruin all the other wonderful ones we have seen on Stargate? Ruin the magic of the Sam/Jack kisses?
I would love to see them talking and Sam be like what do we want for dinner tonight? Arguing taking place and settling on pizza and something like tomorrow we can have Chinese and Friday Mexican. It doesnt have to be to be food, just something that is totally stargate. A kiss would now disappoint me, unless they found a really good way to intergrade it into the show's stemmatics.

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March 27th, 2005, 01:44 AM
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I'm going to open myself up here for some red dinging, but I'm going to say this anyways. I thought David D was very miscast in the part of Pete. Being attracted to someone is in they eye of the beholder, but I felt literal zero VAVOOM! for Pete/DDL. I think that's 'part' of why their relay felt so off to me, because I could not see for one second Sam falling for someone like that. Sam can choose from Bloomingdales, and she picked up her item at Walmart. I know, this is sounding mean (I'm psming, so crying, murder, and rapture can all happen within the same breath :p). I'm also not meaning to slam DDL, but I just couldn't buy him as Pete the guy Sam lusts for. I'd also be saying this if Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise had played Pete. They do literally nothing for me (especially Brad). Why am I bring this all up? Because I couldn't relate to Sam's motivations concerning Pete. At all.


Sally :)
I'm thinking that maybe Sam going for Pete-because he isn't "all that"-he was supposed to be your basic "nice guy"-very "white-bread"-she has had the excitement with her job-and well, just look at all the magnetism that Jack has and her total attraction to him-maybe she felt that somebody very unlike Jack would a safe and sensible choice-and somehow manage to shield her from what she feels she really wants or at least what she wants to have it with. Just a thought.

auralan
March 27th, 2005, 04:52 AM
I'm thinking that maybe Sam going for Pete-because he isn't "all that"-he was supposed to be your basic "nice guy"-very "white-bread"-she has had the excitement with her job-and well, just look at all the magnetism that Jack has and her total attraction to him-maybe she felt that somebody very unlike Jack would a safe and sensible choice-and somehow manage to shield her from what she feels she really wants or at least what she wants to have it with. Just a thought.

I agree. If they made him somebody we'd understand, it would have been a lot harder to get across the idea that she was settling for less than what she really wanted. If Pete was hot, charming, intelligent, and an all around great guy, what's the problem? That's not settling. Sam jumped into basically the first "normal" thing that came along after she had her little Grace hallucination. Chances that guy would be very attractive and make much sense in the grand scheme were slim. I think that was the point. She wanted a normal relationship and a life outside work. Pete was convenient when she came to that conclusion. I suspect she fell in love with having a life far more than Pete himself. After several years of not having much of a social life, any social life probably seems pretty good.

ann_sgcfan
March 27th, 2005, 05:43 AM
I agree. If they made him somebody we'd understand, it would have been a lot harder to get across the idea that she was settling for less than what she really wanted. If Pete was hot, charming, intelligent, and an all around great guy, what's the problem? That's not settling. Sam jumped into basically the first "normal" thing that came along after she had her little Grace hallucination. Chances that guy would be very attractive and make much sense in the grand scheme were slim. I think that was the point. She wanted a normal relationship and a life outside work. Pete was convenient when she came to that conclusion. I suspect she fell in love with having a life far more than Pete himself. After several years of not having much of a social life, any social life probably seems pretty good.


I completely agree that Sam feel in love with the "idea" of a normal life rather than Pete. I thought Pete was a nice normal guy (a little immature for Sam) s right up until he walks out on her the morning after and does a background check in front of her house!!! We all know the twisted story. He then follows her to Daniel's house. He knows a stakeout when he see ones. I thought the writers did a horrible job portraying Pete. For me it was somewhat believable in the begining, but it went south very quickly!

In my opinion if the writers had chosen a guy that was smart, funny, intelligent, more mature, and good looking then there would have been more angst and a much better story. The angst between her and Jack would be great. It would force the two to address issues left in the room. However, they didn't do that and Jack was never worried about Pete, because he couldn't hold a candle to Jack. The writers missed out on a great build up and tried to sale a story very few believed.

meimei
March 27th, 2005, 06:55 AM
*pokes head in* Kewl...

I have to agree with Auralan. Pete was the 'normal' relationship that she couldn't have anywhere else, i.e. Jack. It's not like Sam had a life outside the mountain where she could meet men. He was introduced to her through her brother. It was convenient. Coming so close to her concussed hallucinations in Grace, it must have seemed like it was meant to be. Motivation followed by opportunity. If her brother hadn't been the means of introduction, it would have never happened.

Pete wasn't the man of her dreams but he was available and openly affectionate. Something she couldn't have with Jack, something she hadn't had in years, an open relationship. And a sexual one. If you figure SG1 has been around seven years, then her last physical relationship was more than eight years ago with Hanson. She mentioned a couple of years had passed since there engagement was broken in the ep The First Commandment. All of her other 'beaus' were strictly platonic relationships, regardless of the infamous BWC.

In the end, it wasn't enough. Unfortunately, the writers drug out the end far too long for my taste.

ChevronSeven
March 27th, 2005, 07:13 AM
*pokes head in* Kewl...

I have to agree with Auralan. Pete was the 'normal' relationship that she couldn't have anywhere else, i.e. Jack. It's not like Sam had a life outside the mountain where she could meet men. He was introduced to her through her brother. It was convenient. Coming so close to her concussed hallucinations in Grace, it must have seemed like it was meant to be. Motivation followed by opportunity. If her brother hadn't been the means of introduction, it would have never happened.

Pete wasn't the man of her dreams but he was available and openly affectionate. Something she couldn't have with Jack, something she hadn't had in years, an open relationship. And a sexual one. If you figure SG1 has been around seven years, then her last physical relationship was more than eight years ago with Hanson. She mentioned a couple of years had passed since there engagement was broken in the ep The First Commandment. All of her other 'beaus' were strictly platonic relationships, regardless of the infamous BWC.

In the end, it wasn't enough. Unfortunately, the writers drug out the end far too long for my taste.


*waves* Hi meimei!!

I wholeheartedly agree. In Sam's delusion, she thought of Jack as a "safe bet" and when her brother set her up with Pete, she thought that she'd take a chance - do something that wasn't safe. I think Sam cared for Pete, but it wasn't the deep feeling that she has for Jack. In every single alternate timeline or alternate reality, those two have been together. It's just that regulations are getting in the way in this reality. Personally, I'd have liked it if next season Jack had retired, but oversaw the SGC as a civilian instead of being promoted. It still puts in play the regulations. Despite him not being her direct supervisor, Sam still is in Jack's chain of command, which totally sucks.TPTB have the ability to put them together. It seems to me that all writers are afraid of the dreaded "Moonlighting" syndrome. Well, it's not going to happen here because it's an ensemble show. None of the character's personal lives dominated the season. Sure, they popped up in an episode from time to time, but that's to be expected. It can be done and done well.

waterfall
March 27th, 2005, 07:36 AM
Season 9 speculation:
*snip
It brings up an interesting question, though: What kind of scene would you like to see in season 9 between Sam and Jack to confirm that the UST has become RST?

I answered this one a while back on the other thread.
The scene I would like to see doesn't even have to have RDA in it.
Someone is talking to Sam and calls her "Col. O'Neill" and she corrects them by saying:
"I use my maiden name of Carter for work purposes to avoid confusion between myself and my husband"

That would be enough for me.

My question is who here thinks they would marry right away??
I do. :D
After all they have been through together and both see that life can change in an instant that I don't think that they would wait to make it "official".

OT:
I would like to thank all for your condolences for my departed aunt.
She was a wonderful, kind and fun-loving woman and I will miss her.
I have not been on much this week due to trying to keep the vultures away from picking through the belongings of the dead.
I went to the Orlando con only 1 week ago today and it seems like 6 weeks ago.
I do have pictures that I will soon post, can I post them here?
Or would you rather I post them in another thread??
I believe the ones w/ CA (Jacob) are S/J ship related.


waterfall

BrenRen
March 27th, 2005, 07:42 AM
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I'm going to open myself up here for some red dinging, but I'm going to say this anyways. I thought David D was very miscast in the part of Pete. Being attracted to someone is in they eye of the beholder, but I felt literal zero VAVOOM! for Pete/DDL. I think that's 'part' of why their relay felt so off to me, because I could not see for one second Sam falling for someone like that. Sam can choose from Bloomingdales, and she picked up her item at Walmart. I know, this is sounding mean (I'm pmsing, so crying, murder, and rapture can all happen within the same breath :p). I'm also not meaning to slam DDL, but I just couldn't buy him as Pete the guy Sam lusts for. I'd also be saying this if Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise had played Pete. They do literally nothing for me (especially Brad). Why am I bring this all up? Because I couldn't relate to Sam's motivations concerning Pete. At all.


Sally :)



I agree Ten Thousand Percent, Sally!!

Since I've seen all of season eight, I'm gonna spoiler this cos I know I'm venturing into uncharted territory for many... Okay, this is wild and out there, but if the casting director had chosen someone tall dark and studly... I was gonna give an example, but my brain is in slow motion... and as you say, beauty, even attraction, is in the eye of the beholder.... Perhaps with a different appearance type, I might not have taken such an extreme disliking to the character. I doubt it, but anything's possible. And if he'd been someone ravishingly attractive, I could have at least enjoyed hating him! :P ;)

How is it even possible they chose the "baby-faced-type" intentionally? I've reacked my brains trying to find any sort of logic in the reasoning behind such a choice, yet still it eludes me. I've even ventured into the anti-thread <Gasp!>, thinking perhaps those who are not so distracted by the whole "but what about Jack?!!" thing might have seen something I missed. But alas, while there are a few folks who actually liked him <Horrified Gasp!!>, I still see no reason for the Huge Mistakes they made with this character. Between the guy's goofy looks (sorry, DDL, maybe if I'd seen ya in something else first, I might like ya more! :P ) and the really rotten portrayal of the character through the absolute crap writing job, there was nothing, I mean absolutely nothing that endeared the character to me.

Again, nothing against DDL personally. :D *David* the actor did great, considering the load of bull he was given to work with. Professionally speaking, I feel sorry for the guy. I'd hate to be in his shoes. Even if he did get to make out with Amanda. :D ;)

BrenRen
March 27th, 2005, 07:55 AM
I completely agree that Sam feel in love with the "idea" of a normal life rather than Pete. I thought Pete was a nice normal guy (a little imature for Sam) s right up until he walks out on her the morning after and does a background check in front of her house!!! We all know the twisted story. He then follows her to Daniel's house. He knows a stakeout when he see ones. I thought the writers did a horrible job portraying Pete. For me it was somewhat believable in the begining, but it went south very quickly!

In my opinion if the writers had chosen a guy that was smart, funny, intelligent, more mature, and good looking then there would have been more angst and a much better story. The angst between her and Jack would be great. It would force the two to address issues left in the room. However, they didn't do that and Jack was never worried about Pete, because he couldn't hold a candle to Jack. The writers missed out on a great build up and tried to sale a story very few believed.

YES!!!!!

As much as I desperately wish they had just not taken the *other* storyline altogether (just imagine seasons seven and eight exactly as they were but without the Others... Now that would have made for a powerful ep in Threads).... If they just had to go that route, why oh why oh WHYYYYY couldn't it have been someone like what you just described??? What a wasted opportuntiy!!!

I'd say more, as I usually do, but you summed it up perfectly!!!

BrenRen
March 27th, 2005, 08:01 AM
*pokes head in* Kewl...

I have to agree with Auralan. Pete was the 'normal' relationship that she couldn't have anywhere else, i.e. Jack. It's not like Sam had a life outside the mountain where she could meet men. He was introduced to her through her brother. It was convenient. Coming so close to her concussed hallucinations in Grace, it must have seemed like it was meant to be. Motivation followed by opportunity. If her brother hadn't been the means of introduction, it would have never happened.

Pete wasn't the man of her dreams but he was available and openly affectionate. Something she couldn't have with Jack, something she hadn't had in years, an open relationship. And a sexual one. If you figure SG1 has been around seven years, then her last physical relationship was more than eight years ago with Hanson. She mentioned a couple of years had passed since there engagement was broken in the ep The First Commandment. All of her other 'beaus' were strictly platonic relationships, regardless of the infamous BWC.

In the end, it wasn't enough. Unfortunately, the writers drug out the end far too long for my taste.


Another *excellent* point I with which I whole-heartedly agree! If he had been a one-ep wonder, like Orlin, I could've lived with that, even as lousy as that ep was. And with that background check stuff, they had a nice logical reason for Sam to get rid of him. Without killing him. And wasn't that the point of his existence? For her to have a fling with a guy who didn't die? I still don't get that either.... I mean, so she was cursed. Big flippin' deal! We all know True Love is gaurenteed to break any curse the universe can fling at a person!!


But I still think I might have been more forgiving if she'd pounced on someone actually pounce-worthy... Like Major Yummy!

er....

Davis... Major Davis... <sigh>

I digress... so I'll let you get back to the serious discusion.... Umm... What were we talking about?

pittsburghgirl
March 27th, 2005, 09:26 AM
I agree. If they made him somebody we'd understand, it would have been a lot harder to get across the idea that she was settling for less than what she really wanted. If Pete was hot, charming, intelligent, and an all around great guy, what's the problem? That's not settling. Sam jumped into basically the first "normal" thing that came along after she had her little Grace hallucination. Chances that guy would be very attractive and make much sense in the grand scheme were slim. I think that was the point. She wanted a normal relationship and a life outside work. Pete was convenient when she came to that conclusion. I suspect she fell in love with having a life far more than Pete himself. After several years of not having much of a social life, any social life probably seems pretty good.
That is so true-the fault with Pete was in the writing/acting. I don't think personally that I would have been quite so put out if pete was actually the "nice guy" that he I believe they wanted him to be. However, as I cannot get into the heads of the guys in charge of that show-I will have to say that I never quite got why Pete was such a anal orifice and then they had the nerve to go to such great lengths in defending him and bringing him back several times.; Any suggestions?

pittsburghgirl
March 27th, 2005, 09:30 AM
well as far as the casting of a "babyface" for the role of Pete-it was my understanding that they were down to their last nerve, as it were-and cast him because he was available-no i could be wrong-and most of the time I am-so if someone knows different...

It is my humble opinion that Pete was to have been a one hit wonder-but because of the uproar which i think they took personally-they decided to rub it in

but as i said, it is my two cents worth-so i take full responsibility for it.

UhSir
March 27th, 2005, 12:39 PM
...snips...

I'd also like to see the relationship acknowledged in public. This could be S&J holding hands or just a verbal comment from say, Daniel, maybe one that you'd expect to embarrass Sam, but just provokes pride and amusement. Sam could even respond with a comment that embarrasses Daniel (i.e., TMI). Regardless, I want it clear that Sam's not looking to downplay it.

Having written all this out, I realize we're probably not going to get 1% of it. It was nice to think about, though.

:D


Yes, let's embarrass Daniel. How about Jack has a sprained, I dunno, wrist? Daniel asks how it happened. Sam and Jack look at each other with devilish grins and start bantering, each adding little tidbits, as a whole we get the impression of a scene similar to the Sam/Pete wrestling, er, bedroom scene. Jack: "I fell off the bed." Sam: "I did try to catch you." Jack: "Yes, bad idea." Sam: "I tried to make it up to you." Jack: "Yes, you did." Daniel raises his hands and cries, "Stop! Spare me any more details." Sam giggles. Daniel looks suspicious and asks, "Okay, what really happened?" Jack starts, "Like we were saying, I slipped off..." Daniel cries out, "Nevermind! I have, uh, papers to file... Gotta go."


Not sure that needed spoiler tags.

SNY
March 27th, 2005, 01:33 PM
I would be happy with a photo of O'Neill in Carter's lab or both of them at the cabin... :D

SNY :p

meimei
March 27th, 2005, 02:48 PM
Another *excellent* point I with which I whole-heartedly agree! If he had been a one-ep wonder, like Orlin, I could've lived with that, even as lousy as that ep was. And with that background check stuff, they had a nice logical reason for Sam to get rid of him. Without killing him. And wasn't that the point of his existence? For her to have a fling with a guy who didn't die? I still don't get that either.... I mean, so she was cursed. Big flippin' deal! We all know True Love is gaurenteed to break any curse the universe can fling at a person!!


But I still think I might have been more forgiving if she'd pounced on someone actually pounce-worthy... Like Major Yummy!

er....

Davis... Major Davis... <sigh>

I digress... so I'll let you get back to the serious discusion.... Umm... What were we talking about?
I really think that if they needed to put Sam in a relationship with someone not Jack, that they should have gone with the good NID agent... Blasted gray matter has the name blocked. There was some chemistry between them (loved the laying on top of her after the house exploded scene!), he knew about the program, a long distance relationship, short term view of "normal" but not Jack.

Okay, now this is going to bother me... Someone please give me his name!!

I never saw any chemistry between Davis and Sam. I really think that he knew how Sam felt about Jack. He was around for several missions, not to mention, being so close to the program, I often wondered if the Zatrac incident wouldn't have been in a report he could have read at some point. Ooops, me going off on wild speculation that only a fanfic author could understand! LOL!

I just didn't see that pairing.

But the NID guy would have made sense to me but they would have still had to keep it down to a one ep wonder and not drug out the storyline to ridiculous proportions.

dipsofjazz
March 27th, 2005, 02:53 PM
Agent Barrett, MM. I agree that there was a lot more chemistry between them, plus he is part of the Stargate world.

parsifal
March 27th, 2005, 02:56 PM
Okay, now this is going to bother me... Someone please give me his name!!


Barrett.

While there might have been interest on his end, I never saw anything from Sam. Just another guy, essentially a stranger, with a crush on her.

Gatetrixer
March 27th, 2005, 03:45 PM
Someone here said but don't remember who--what if we see Jack in his office and we see a photo of Sam there.? Gee I'm so starved for anything I'd even take that.Probably kiss the TV. But I'd don't think we'll see his office in DC. Joe Mallozzi said (saw it on another website tho maybe he said it on his thread which I haven't been to) that Sam who not only be away but "far far away," which sounds like another planet. :(

meimei
March 27th, 2005, 03:50 PM
*sigh* Of course, Barrett... Thank you...

Well, I thought I saw the interest on Sam's part when she told him that she was seeing someone. Kind of a enlightening moment of "oh, wow". As if the thought hadn't crossed her mind but now that it had...

But it would have been preferable to her and Pete. Of course, I had heard that Ben Browder was offered the part of Pete but turned it down. Hot and sexy boyfriend would have made more sense for a woman that had denied herself any kind of relationship, much less a physical one, for as long as she had.

SG1Poz
March 27th, 2005, 04:00 PM
Well, I'm with you all. All I want is...
A Great Big Honkin' Kiss!
We've been through everything else, and it's all been hinted at. Now I need to see it! :D

Yes but for me to be satisfied it must be not only a Big Honkin Kiss but romantic, like the one Sam envisioned in Grace. The AU kiss in Moebius 2 was just....silly, goofy, comical IMHO.
Give us something real, sensual and romantic in the true sense of the word. Ah, Please?



Poz
Who's finally back online after puter crashed

majorsal
March 27th, 2005, 04:49 PM
I completely agree that Sam feel in love with the "idea" of a normal life rather than Pete. I thought Pete was a nice normal guy (a little immature for Sam) s right up until he walks out on her the morning after and does a background check in front of her house!!! We all know the twisted story. He then follows her to Daniel's house. He knows a stakeout when he see ones. I thought the writers did a horrible job portraying Pete. For me it was somewhat believable in the begining, but it went south very quickly!

In my opinion if the writers had chosen a guy that was smart, funny, intelligent, more mature, and good looking then there would have been more angst and a much better story. The angst between her and Jack would be great. It would force the two to address issues left in the room. However, they didn't do that and Jack was never worried about Pete, because he couldn't hold a candle to Jack. The writers missed out on a great build up and tried to sale a story very few believed.

I'm of two minds about this.

spoilers for s7's grace and chimera, and s8's threads
i've talked about this with another shipper in detail, and we both came to the conclusion that having a 'hunk' play pete might have made it all worse. let's say that pete was played by paul gross (from due south - http://www.galleryofcelebrities.com/gross.htm ). i could have understood sam turning the other cheek at the end of chimera. man, ddl is not a dog!, but he's just not dreamy and hot like jack is for me (or for some, paul gross too).

let's say, for the sake of this discussion, that sam met a paul (gave him another name) shanahan at her gym. he was just another member of that gym, and the two of them had met before grace came along. but after grace, sam's looking for companionship, so she takes paul up on his offer of a date. like with chimera, sam's totally into giving this side of her life a try. what paul does for a living is unimportant, as is sam's career is to paul. they just go out and enjoy each others company. so for the last half of season 7 and almost all of season 8, sam's dating paul. it's easy-going, non threatening, and the ONLY reason sam starts getting uncomfortable with him is that he wants to make things more serious. and the getting serious happens when threads takes place. instead of sam fretting on an upcoming marriage, it could have been that paul wanted to move in with sam. sam calls off the relationship because her dad's dying, jack's got a girlfriend, and sam knows she's really in love with jack. how much more 'gentle' this would have been on sam's character if pete would have been played/written like paul???

but to get back to why pete being a hunk might have made it worse is that 'then' we might have seen the real passion there instead of the tame stuff. okay, to be fair, some fans didn't find the sam/pete stuff tame or boring, but for me, i just couldn't get into pete because i wasn't attracted to pete/ddl. but would i have gotten into pete more (written the same way) if paul gross had played him? honestly, yes, i think i would have. and then that would have given me *major* conflicted feelings! :p


Sally :D

BrenRen
March 27th, 2005, 05:16 PM
I really think that if they needed to put Sam in a relationship with someone not Jack, that they should have gone with the good NID agent... Blasted gray matter has the name blocked. There was some chemistry between them (loved the laying on top of her after the house exploded scene!), he knew about the program, a long distance relationship, short term view of "normal" but not Jack.

Okay, now this is going to bother me... Someone please give me his name!!

I never saw any chemistry between Davis and Sam. I really think that he knew how Sam felt about Jack. He was around for several missions, not to mention, being so close to the program, I often wondered if the Zatrac incident wouldn't have been in a report he could have read at some point. Ooops, me going off on wild speculation that only a fanfic author could understand! LOL!

I just didn't see that pairing.

But the NID guy would have made sense to me but they would have still had to keep it down to a one ep wonder and not drug out the storyline to ridiculous proportions.


Well, I have to agree, I think she definitely had more chemestry with Agent Barrett... I wasn't suggesting they should have paired her with Davis... Only someone more attractive, like Major Yummy! Cos whether or not he has chemestry with Sam, he's still a tasty dish!

I'd have said Barrett earlier if he'd crossed my mind, but I never cared for him much at all. Still, I'd rather have seen *him* hook up with her than the Spudly Duckling! :D :P

ShimmeringStar
March 27th, 2005, 05:59 PM
I never saw any chemistry between Davis and Sam. I really think that he knew how Sam felt about Jack. He was around for several missions, not to mention, being so close to the program, I often wondered if the Zatrac incident wouldn't have been in a report he could have read at some point. Ooops, me going off on wild speculation that only a fanfic author could understand! LOL!That's a good point though MM. (And could lead to some interesting fanfic for sure!)There had to be several people reading those reports. And given everything that happened in the first 3/4 of S4, it would be hard to believe that *none* of the things that happened never made it into a report....

Sam and Jack would seem to have the most well-known secret ship ever. I'm sure for those with access to the reports, especially after S4, they were waiting with baited breath, wondering what development in the ship they were going to read about next... :p And given that we're all only human... y'can't tell me the military rumor mill didn't spread Sam and Jack's 'little secret' far and wide.... :rolleyes: :D

majorsal
March 27th, 2005, 06:02 PM
well as far as the casting of a "babyface" for the role of Pete-it was my understanding that they were down to their last nerve, as it were-and cast him because he was available-no i could be wrong-and most of the time I am-so if someone knows different...

that sounds familiar, but i can't be totally sure. i know they'd asked ben browder (hunk or not, i would have HATED him being pete because he looks too much like daniel!), but he turned it down. i don't know who else they asked. btw, i really like ddl being labled as 'baby-faced', because it's true :p and it's a nice description. i've always been more attracted to handsome over baby-faced, though. well, maybe not 'always', because i remember liking really cute and baby-faced guys when i was really young. :p


It is my humble opinion that Pete was to have been a one hit wonder-but because of the uproar which i think they took personally-they decided to rub it in

Who knows. :rolleyes:



Sally :)

meimei
March 27th, 2005, 07:22 PM
That's a good point though MM. (And could lead to some interesting fanfic for sure!)There had to be several people reading those reports. And given everything that happened in the first 3/4 of S4, it would be hard to believe that *none* of the things that happened never made it into a report....

Sam and Jack would seem to have the most well-known secret ship ever. I'm sure for those with access to the reports, especially after S4, they were waiting with baited breath, wondering what development in the ship they were going to read about next... :p And given that we're all only human... y'can't tell me the military rumor mill didn't spread Sam and Jack's 'little secret' far and wide.... :rolleyes: :D
Considering that Kinsey tried to make a point of it in Inaguration, I'm sure that some of the ship made it into reports. You have to love Hayes' answer that they are allowed their feelings! So I would imagine that it is out there somewhere. You might have to read between the lines a bit, but probably not much. As to who would have access to those reports, well, Davis as liason to the SGC for the Pentagon would be a prime candidate.

And, Bren-ren, I know you weren't necessarily suggesting Davis but I have heard speculation about him in that light before. As well as Barrett.

Rogue
March 28th, 2005, 04:12 AM
I really think that if they needed to put Sam in a relationship with someone not Jack, that they should have gone with the good NID agent... Blasted gray matter has the name blocked. There was some chemistry between them (loved the laying on top of her after the house exploded scene!), he knew about the program, a long distance relationship, short term view of "normal" but not Jack.

Okay, now this is going to bother me... Someone please give me his name!!

I never saw any chemistry between Davis and Sam. I really think that he knew how Sam felt about Jack. He was around for several missions, not to mention, being so close to the program, I often wondered if the Zatrac incident wouldn't have been in a report he could have read at some point. Ooops, me going off on wild speculation that only a fanfic author could understand! LOL!

I just didn't see that pairing.

But the NID guy would have made sense to me but they would have still had to keep it down to a one ep wonder and not drug out the storyline to ridiculous proportions.

Yeah, I thought they were going to pair her off with Agent Barrett too. I think it would have been a better match and more of a threat to Jack. It rubbed me the wrong way that they would give Sam such a lame bf and give Jack this great gal.

Rogue
March 28th, 2005, 04:18 AM
well as far as the casting of a "babyface" for the role of Pete-it was my understanding that they were down to their last nerve, as it were-and cast him because he was available-no i could be wrong-and most of the time I am-so if someone knows different...

It is my humble opinion that Pete was to have been a one hit wonder-but because of the uproar which i think they took personally-they decided to rub it in

but as i said, it is my two cents worth-so i take full responsibility for it.

Hollywood is filled with good looking guys who can act just as good as DDL. They didn't have a problem finding a good looking gal for Jack . I personally don't think they tried very hard. Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking DDL, it is just I don't think he was a good match or believable boyfriend for Sam.

pittsburghgirl
March 28th, 2005, 04:36 AM
Hollywood is filled with good looking guys who can act just as good as DDL. They didn't have a problem finding a good looking gal for Jack . I personally don't think they tried very hard. Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking DDL, it is just I don't think he was a good match or believable boyfriend for Sam.
my guess on that Rogue they didn't want to be hated. the gal who played kerry was supposed to be a one-hit wonder that was to talk sense into Jack. She was not well known-after Coach-what has she done? Anybody with 1/4 of a brain knows that anyone stepping in between jack and sam was a redshirt-and mud

Token
March 28th, 2005, 07:15 AM
my guess on that Rogue they didn't want to be hated. the gal who played kerry was supposed to be a one-hit wonder that was to talk sense into Jack. She was not well known-after Coach-what has she done? Anybody with 1/4 of a brain knows that anyone stepping in between jack and sam was a redshirt-and mud

I have to agree. IMO, the PTB were too close to this storyline to understand the "waves" that would be rippling through Stargate fandom. The Stargate fandom may not be very large, but there is money in conventions and merchandising. IMO, I can see Clare Carey being invited to a convention, sitting on a panel, and talking about her "bedroom" scene with RDA. ;) Men would just watch Clare speak, and women would be imagining themselves in her place. :p However, I don't think DDL would ever be invited to a convention. His character was too divisive. Can you imagine the type of questions he would be asked? I can't think of another character on Stargate that wouldn't be of interest at a convention. Even Ronny Cox, as hated as Kinsey is, would be interesting to hear on a panel as would be Tom McBeath.

ShimmeringStar
March 28th, 2005, 07:41 AM
At last! A good threat about their relationship! :D

Let begins this thread with this question:


What do you think is going to happen between them in season 9?

SNY :p
As for what I think (as opposed to what I would want/desire) to happen I can honestly see no ship being written. If it does, it would be just cursory mentions, especially given no AT for at least the 1st 5 shows (the ones RDA is filming spots for right now) and the fact he may/may not put in a guest appearance later . TPTB (JM & others) seem to think that they pretty much resolved everything to do with S/J ship with Threads and the end of M2. Their focus is on Atlantis and on getting Stargate: The Next Team off the ground. The old characters are only useful to them now in so far as it promotes the new focuses of the show and keeps some of us watching (in hopes that we’ll like the new SG1 and will keep watching). I mean look at S4… Ship everywhere for the first ¾ of the season, then next to nothing for the next 3 years… and that was with all of the actors available and in the show.

What would I want/desire? Same as I did for Season 8. At the barest minimum, a bit of completely unambiguous dialogue that left *no* room for interpretation concerning where they relationship was and would be going. Even just one minute of clear concise dialogue. If allowed more -- a touch or two would be nice, to show that S & J were finally comfortable showing what they felt for each other openly in front of others. And if really allowed more… a non-AU kiss along the lines of the Grace kiss… I’m not looking for a wedding, marriage, and kids or HWMS. Heck, I’d even give up wanting to know what went on in that adult convo that may/may not have taken place. I just want to know that after 8 years of unrealistically dragging a ship out the TPTB are actually allowing them to have a relationship that isn’t open to misinterpretation. (And yes... my opinion is that both Threads and M2 still left things wide open to interpretation....)

meimei
March 28th, 2005, 08:46 AM
Extremely simple inexpensive way of showing the ship firmly resolved and RDA wouldn't even be necessary for the scene.

Sam (on phone): I love you, too. Bye. (hangs up and turns to Daniel and Teal'c) Jack says hi.

Done... Finito... Over. Take maybe 15 seconds of a scene and leave absolutely no doubt as to the "adult convo" taking place. It would have had to in order to get to that level of intimacy even on the phone.

girlgater
March 28th, 2005, 09:05 AM
Extremely simple inexpensive way of showing the ship firmly resolved and RDA wouldn't even be necessary for the scene.

Sam (on phone): I love you, too. Bye. (hangs up and turns to Daniel and Teal'c) Jack says hi.

Done... Finito... Over. Take maybe 15 seconds of a scene and leave absolutely no doubt as to the "adult convo" taking place. It would have had to in order to get to that level of intimacy even on the phone.

What a great idea! It's so simple, but yet so fulfilling to the shippers in the world! From your lips to the script. :)

kiwigater
March 28th, 2005, 11:10 AM
Extremely simple inexpensive way of showing the ship firmly resolved and RDA wouldn't even be necessary for the scene.

Sam (on phone): I love you, too. Bye. (hangs up and turns to Daniel and Teal'c) Jack says hi.

Done... Finito... Over. Take maybe 15 seconds of a scene and leave absolutely no doubt as to the "adult convo" taking place. It would have had to in order to get to that level of intimacy even on the phone.
*applause* I agree, what a great way to get around .... well, everything :p :D
Now, if you were being a PTB and wanted to maintain your fence-walking, you could even just have her talking on the phone for a bit, about a trip, how she can't wait, then pause, and "me too" :D How many things do people say on the phone at the end of a convo that you reply "me too" to? I hate to bring up the memory but do you all remember in Reckoning when Pete phones the base while she's in the conference with Selmak, Jack, Daniel and Teal'c, and she murmers "me too" down the phone to him while looking really embarassed and hesitant? well, I think you could do something similar with Sam and Jack, it's all about the attitude and physical reaction at the time.
And it's something subtle enough to be ignored by all the anti-shippers etc. We KNOW he said "I love you" and she said she loves him back :D

It's not the firm 100% sure resolution I'd prefer to see, but I honestly can't see them spending what little time RDA has on set next season on ship :( I think they think they've done their dash on it, and answered the ship question definitively - we know they're hallucinating, until there's no ambiguity I'll always be wanting MORE :o :D

Rogue
March 28th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Extremely simple inexpensive way of showing the ship firmly resolved and RDA wouldn't even be necessary for the scene.

Sam (on phone): I love you, too. Bye. (hangs up and turns to Daniel and Teal'c) Jack says hi.

Done... Finito... Over. Take maybe 15 seconds of a scene and leave absolutely no doubt as to the "adult convo" taking place. It would have had to in order to get to that level of intimacy even on the phone.

Yeah that would do it. There are alot of little things they could do to show resolution such as a picture of each other on their desk. I am not selective at this point, I have been living on bread crumbs for 8 years.

majorsal
March 28th, 2005, 09:15 PM
What would I want/desire? Same as I did for Season 8. At the barest minimum, a bit of completely unambiguous dialogue that left *no* room for interpretation concerning where they relationship was and would be going. Even just one minute of clear concise dialogue. If allowed more -- a touch or two would be nice, to show that S & J were finally comfortable showing what they felt for each other openly in front of others. And if really allowed more… a non-AU kiss along the lines of the Grace kiss… I’m not looking for a wedding, marriage, and kids or HWMS. Heck, I’d even give up wanting to know what went on in that adult convo that may/may not have taken place. I just want to know that after 8 years of unrealistically dragging a ship out the TPTB are actually allowing them to have a relationship that isn’t open to misinterpretation. (And yes... my opinion is that both Threads and M2 still left things wide open to interpretation....)

I agree. And even with parts of fandom and parts of the ppl making this show want to make us feel, it's *not* too much to ask for.


Sally :D

majorsal
March 28th, 2005, 09:29 PM
(snip)

It's not the firm 100% sure resolution I'd prefer to see, but I honestly can't see them spending what little time RDA has on set next season on ship :( I think they think they've done their dash on it, and answered the ship question definitively - we know they're hallucinating, until there's no ambiguity I'll always be wanting MORE :o :D

You've brought up something that I've been thinking about recently. What would make me satisfied to the point of not needing and/or wanting 'more'? What exactly does 'this' shipper want? Take the romance, hand holding, kissing, loving looks, and passion of the Sam/Pete scenes in the first half of Chimera and make it between Sam and Jack. That's what I've *always* wanted between them, which is why Chimera broke my heart so. Anything less will 'always' make me want/need more. And even if they did show it... I'd want to see more. Is that a curse of a blessing? :p


Sally :D

pittsburghgirl
March 29th, 2005, 06:30 AM
Yeah that would do it. There are alot of little things they could do to show resolution such as a picture of each other on their desk. I am not selective at this point, I have been living on bread crumbs for 8 years.
crumbs?? crumbs?? you mean we actually had that for 8 years-I figured we were subsisting on air. I just can't seem to figure that they are actually either gonna ignore it in season 9 or try and play it out for another season. boggles the old mind ya know.

pittsburghgirl
March 29th, 2005, 06:32 AM
You've brought up something that I've been thinking about recently. What would make me satisfied to the point of not needing and/or wanting 'more'? What exactly does 'this' shipper want? Take the romance, hand holding, kissing, loving looks, and passion of the Sam/Pete scenes in the first half of Chimera and make it between Sam and Jack. That's what I've *always* wanted between them, which is why Chimera broke my heart so. Anything less will 'always' make me want/need more. And even if they did show it... I'd want to see more. Is that a curse of a blessing? :p


Sally :D
well it could be a little bit of both you know-a blessing and a curse. my big "fear" for season 9-and i know I am repeating myself that they will either ignore it-or play it out for another year

pittsburghgirl
March 29th, 2005, 10:58 AM
Ok-I have a thought/questions concerning Jacob in Threads-so hopefully I am not out of line posting here-if I am -please let me know-but here goes:

why did Jacob have a such a drastic reaction to Pete? I mean-really negative-it was like he didn't Pete from the getgo-and I would like some speculation.

Sam didn't let on that she was happy-I had no clue that she was having second, third or whatever thoughts about marrying Pete. But from the minute he showed up on her doorstep in the SGC it was like-where is there another way out? What did Jacob pick up on? What did know? What did he feel? And do you suppose-that deleted jacob/jack scene gave him the first inkling of something or just solidified it???? thanx

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 29th, 2005, 12:07 PM
*takes a breath and finally wanders into the ship stuff* :)
pittsburghgirl, here's my take: Jacob's reaction didn't seem too out of place to me. It wasn't that he thought Pete was an awful person, but they'd been going out a substantial time (ENGAGED!) and he still wasn't close to coming to grips with the world his girlfriend lives in. Jacob's well aware and been present at a few of the many times Sam has literally helped save the world. And Pete was still stuck on the "you really have one of those things in your head?!" That doesn't make him a bad person, but perhaps not the best match for Sam.

I love some of the suggestions I've seen here for season 9. Personally, I don't want a huge, over-the-top love scene etc. I do want to see the ship addressed in no uncertain terms, but some of the softer, more intimate suggestions I've seen here (some where RDA doesn't even have to be around!) are more what I'd like. To me, something spectacular feels like something that is done for a newer relationship and although they've never been able to express it directly, Sam and Jack have a pretty deep bond, like they've been together all along.

girlgater
March 29th, 2005, 01:00 PM
Ok-I have a thought/questions concerning Jacob in Threads-so hopefully I am not out of line posting here-if I am -please let me know-but here goes:

why did Jacob have a such a drastic reaction to Pete? I mean-really negative-it was like he didn't Pete from the getgo-and I would like some speculation.

Sam didn't let on that she was happy-I had no clue that she was having second, third or whatever thoughts about marrying Pete. But from the minute he showed up on her doorstep in the SGC it was like-where is there another way out? What did Jacob pick up on? What did know? What did he feel? And do you suppose-that deleted jacob/jack scene gave him the first inkling of something or just solidified it???? thanx

I'd like to think that Jacob just knew that Pete wasn't right for Sam. He must have had an idea that she really belonged with Jack; that they had such chemistry. Perhaps it was a conversation that Jack/Jacob had that wasn't shown. Anyway, I think that Jacob wanted the best for Sam and he knew that it was Jack. :)

elhSG1
March 29th, 2005, 01:14 PM
Ok-I have a thought/questions concerning Jacob in Threads-so hopefully I am not out of line posting here-if I am -please let me know-but here goes:

why did Jacob have a such a drastic reaction to Pete? I mean-really negative-it was like he didn't Pete from the getgo-and I would like some speculation.

Sam didn't let on that she was happy-I had no clue that she was having second, third or whatever thoughts about marrying Pete. But from the minute he showed up on her doorstep in the SGC it was like-where is there another way out? What did Jacob pick up on? What did know? What did he feel? And do you suppose-that deleted jacob/jack scene gave him the first inkling of something or just solidified it???? thanx

I think that Jacob might have thought that Pete was a little immature, at least that's sort of the impression Pete made on me when he came to the SGC to meet Jacob. I did only get to watch that part once, because my tape mess up. :(

I think that Sam not being happy with Pete just wasn't shown in recent episodes, I mean the last time we saw him was when he proposed, I think other things happened between them but unfortunately we just didn't see or hear about it. And another thing is that she never talked about him so I think that's a sign, also when she was with him in Threads you got the impression that she wasn't happy at least that's what I got. I do think that the deleted scene between Jack/Jacob would have given us a better idea as to why Jacob acted the way he did towards Pete, too bad that was cut.

waterfall
March 29th, 2005, 01:58 PM
*takes a breath and finally wanders into the ship stuff* :)
pittsburghgirl, here's my take: Jacob's reaction didn't seem too out of place to me. It wasn't that he thought Pete was an awful person, but they'd been going out a substantial time (ENGAGED!) and he still wasn't close to coming to grips with the world his girlfriend lives in. Jacob's well aware and been present at a few of the many times Sam has literally helped save the world. And Pete was still stuck on the "you really have one of those things in your head?!" That doesn't make him a bad person, but perhaps not the best match for Sam.
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I liked the way Jacob just gave her the "please tell me your joking, you're not really gonna marry this idiot" look after Pete said that.
Also during the briefing scene he was intently watching Sam after her phone rang.Jacob knew she was supposed to meet Pete at the florist and she was totally ignoring it.Only when her phone rang did she even acknowledge that fact.
After the "urgent" phone call Jacob decided to press the issue,( in front of Jack) and she got angry at him!!Then he decided to play dumb by saying "what??" but he knew the score, that Sam was dragging her heels about her wedding.
I think at that time it was obvious to Jacob that she wasn't gonna marry Pete, and why.
I just wish that Jacob would have spit it out instead of being cryptic seeing as he was lying on his deathbed.
I am happy she figured it out and took his advice though.


waterfall

meimei
March 29th, 2005, 04:05 PM
My thoughts on Jacob's reaction:

Threads S8 If you remember in Secrets, Jacob even gave Jack the "don't mess with my daughter" attitude. He has always seemed to enjoy intimidation, especially where it came to Jack. I think that he would have reacted the same way regardless of who Sam brought to meet him.

But also, he knows his daughter. She had to have told him about Pete before hand. He knew that she was nervous about Pete meeting him. So obviously she wasn't sure how he would react. I think that would have been his first clue. If she had no doubts about Pete then I think that her nervousness would have been a lot less. If she had been more sure, Jacob would have noticed it. I think that would have played a big part in Jacob's reaction to Pete.

stargate barbie
March 29th, 2005, 04:37 PM
hey guys, first of all
speculation spoilery type bit for season 9 i really believe that sam and jack are now together, considering what we were given in the last few eps of season 8, i don't think there is any other possibility. although i don't think at the beginning of season 9 they are physically in the same place. i.e, because of amanda's absence from the show in the first few eps, they will explain sam's absence by saying she's on a ship on its way to the pegasus galaxy. hopefully there will be some mention of the long distance relationship thing once or twice throughout the show, and if RDA and AT going to have any scenes together we'll get something from that. and i'm happy with that as long as its done well.

i loved moebius and i thought it was done so well, and while i think threads could have been done better, i still loved that. as far as i'm concerned the only thing wrong with threads was that their wasn't enough time to deal with everything, mainly the jaffa and jacob storylines.

now its pretty late and i'm sick, so maybe i'm talkin' crazy talk here, but that just how i feel about things. what do you think?

L-JADE
March 29th, 2005, 04:54 PM
I think Sam's not being happy with Pete is because of the glory of a new boyfriend is rubbed-off.

In Chimera, Sam was so excited, "Oh I got a new boyfriend, a new and ALIVE boyfriend" which she got so soon after Grace, but I think after awhile, deep down Sam knew that she is just using Pete, she's not really into Pete as she is to Jack. By that time, Pete already proposed, and Jack seems like distanced him away from her, in Sam shoes, I think many women would do the same, afterall one comfortable shoes to walk many miles is felt better than one glorified high heel :D
Luckily, she came to her senses and come back to her boots ! :D

ShimmeringStar
March 29th, 2005, 06:24 PM
Ok-I have a thought/questions concerning Jacob in Threads-so hopefully I am not out of line posting here-if I am -please let me know-but here goes:

why did Jacob have a such a drastic reaction to Pete? I mean-really negative-it was like he didn't Pete from the getgo-and I would like some speculation.

Sam didn't let on that she was happy-I had no clue that she was having second, third or whatever thoughts about marrying Pete. But from the minute he showed up on her doorstep in the SGC it was like-where is there another way out? What did Jacob pick up on? What did know? What did he feel? And do you suppose-that deleted jacob/jack scene gave him the first inkling of something or just solidified it???? thanx
I wrote my response before I scrolled down & saw MM’s response, but I’m thinking along similar lines.
S8 ThreadsJacob knew what an independent, intelligent and stubborn daughter he had; so much like himself in so many ways. I think he was a good judge of character having been a general himself (he had to have had the ability to analyze/determine other’s strengths/weaknesses & to do so darn quick) and he had a good BS-detector residing in his head (Selmak). So IMOHO, I think on meeting Pete and just “reading” all the cues Pete was giving him, he knew Pete was a mismatch for Sam.

Assuming Sam had told him a little something about Pete in the months after the engagement but before the meeting… I think Jacob knew Sam well enough to gauge her reactions. When she’s really excited about something, you could tell when she was upbeat and thrilled about it. Makes me think that what little she may have shared with her father about her ship with Pete before she introduced Pete to him was not much and was done with much less enthusiasm… giving Jacob some inkling that his daughter wasn’t exactly head-over-heels about the guy. Her shrugs and those apologetic looks she gave him in the meet Dad scene likely just confirmed it for him. She wasn’t demonstrating a can’t-keep-my-hands-off-him, looking Pete in the eye with desire kind of thing that said “Dad… this is the man I have to marry I’m so consumed by him…” This was I’m standing away from him, I’m not touching him, and I’m searching my father’s face for to see what his reaction and opinion is…

He may not have necessarily been thinking she needed to hook up with Jack… but he sure as heck knew she didn’t need to legally commit herself to Mr. SmallPotatoes… Especially if he had the idea that all was not well in the House of Pete. IMO Jacob also knew that his daughter was an extremely loyal person and that if Sam decided to go through with the marriage she would force herself to stick it out for a long time to make it work no matter what emotional (or other cost) to herself. I think he knew she was so desperate for a ‘normal’ romantic relationship that she was willing to get herself involved with someone who would *never* be able to give her the stable home life and emotional support she needed (like Jacob had gotten from Sam’s mom) or the intellectual stimulation she needed.

sg-1fanintn
March 29th, 2005, 07:04 PM
I have had it with the vague stuff. Now that Sam and Jack will be in two locations, and she will no longer be under his direct command, it should happen. After all, that's where TPTB have been leading us all season, culminating in what happened in "Threads." Maybe Jack's job change will be a result of the discussion he had with Agent Johnson in that episode. Even she could see they belong together! I felt good after that episode about where things were going. But then, two episodes later, at the end of "Moebius 2," the AU S/J kiss was a total rip-off. It didn't give me the interaction I feel we deserved, and just left me kind of angry at TPTB.

The characters we have come to know have high standards and a lot of personal integrity. They've trusted each other with their lives. They've formed strong bonds over eight years together. I think that to be true to those characters, TPTB should allow them to act on the emotions we know they've had for some time.

Remember Carmen's comment about, "Jack and Sam will get together over my dead body!"? Well, in "Threads," at the base, while Sam was watching a Tokra pay his final respects to Jacob, Jack joined her. "Thanks for being here for me, Sir," she said, after he put his arm around her. In the next moment, he came closer to declaring his commitment to Sam than he ever had with one word, "Always." The way RDA delivered that line told me Jack had reached a decision in his mind....that she was the only woman he would ever love. Obviously, this was not the time for a big kiss. Jacob was dying, for goodness sake! But I'm hoping it happens in S9.

Remember.....TPTB have led us this far. And, if they choose to be as true to their characters as they have been to date, they will let us shippers have this. It's a logical outcome to where they've been leading us for a long, long time.

Can anyone confirm that there was some extra footage shot after "Moebius 2" wrapped? Could it be used in S9? Let's talk about it! And do you think the, "You've got some packin' to do," comment from Jack to Sam at the end of "Moebius 2" only referred to the fishing trip?

majorsal
March 29th, 2005, 07:11 PM
well it could be a little bit of both you know-a blessing and a curse. my big "fear" for season 9-and i know I am repeating myself that they will either ignore it-or play it out for another year

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The reason for so many shipper disappointments is that we thought we were going to get 'overt' ship at the end of the 8th season, with NO ambiguous scenes and such. We didn't get that. I *really* do love and appreciate what we did get, but (repeating myself), I want more. Season 9 gives us a perfect opportuniy (even though RDA won't be around) to get more. If the 'more' is showing the first steps of their relationship (as opposed to them already being involved like we hoped they were in after Threads), then I can take that. But will they? Amanda said - referring to the Sam/Jack relationship at the end of season 8 - "If this is the end of Stargate, the fans will not be disappointed. If it's not the end, we still have somewhere we can go." Ptb, go there please.


Sally :D

majorsal
March 29th, 2005, 07:23 PM
Ok-I have a thought/questions concerning Jacob in Threads-so hopefully I am not out of line posting here-if I am -please let me know-but here goes:

why did Jacob have a such a drastic reaction to Pete? I mean-really negative-it was like he didn't Pete from the getgo-and I would like some speculation.

Sam didn't let on that she was happy-I had no clue that she was having second, third or whatever thoughts about marrying Pete. But from the minute he showed up on her doorstep in the SGC it was like-where is there another way out? What did Jacob pick up on? What did know? What did he feel? And do you suppose-that deleted jacob/jack scene gave him the first inkling of something or just solidified it???? thanx

Interesting question. Here's my guesses.

spoilers for s8's threads
I felt Jacob 'was' against Pete from the get-go, and I'd say it was because a- he saw doubts and a pronouncable amount of lack of excitement on Sam's part, and b- he knew Sam was in love with Jack. And I really believe that. My thoughts are that he was quite aware of Sam's feelings for Jack, so he was prob surprised Sam was going to marry another man. I don't think he so much disliked Pete, as much as he disapproved that Sam was going to marry him.

Sally :D

majorsal
March 29th, 2005, 07:40 PM
spoilers for s8's affinity and threads




I think that Jacob might have thought that Pete was a little immature, at least that's sort of the impression Pete made on me when he came to the SGC to meet Jacob. I did only get to watch that part once, because my tape mess up. :(

I think that Sam not being happy with Pete just wasn't shown in recent episodes, I mean the last time we saw him was when he proposed, I think other things happened between them but unfortunately we just didn't see or hear about it. And another thing is that she never talked about him so I think that's a sign, also when she was with him in Threads you got the impression that she wasn't happy at least that's what I got. I do think that the deleted scene between Jack/Jacob would have given us a better idea as to why Jacob acted the way he did towards Pete, too bad that was cut.

I saw Sam *deeply* troubled in Affinity. The only time I saw her happy in that ep (and I mean *really* happy) was when Pete said he was going to move to Colorado Springs to be near her. But when he upped the ante (marriage proposal), Sam became unhappy. She took over two weeks to answer Pete, ranting and raving to Daniel and Teal'c and showing the ring/talking to Jack about her doubts (and I totally believe she was trying to get a rise out of him). I saw a *very* subdued 'yes' to Pete at the end. And I think Pete saw it too, since he wasn't surprised when she broke up with him.

Sally :D

majorsal
March 29th, 2005, 07:57 PM
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Can anyone confirm that there was some extra footage shot after "Moebius 2" wrapped? Could it be used in S9? Let's talk about it! And do you think the, "You've got some packin' to do," comment from Jack to Sam at the end of "Moebius 2" only referred to the fishing trip?

There's no confirmation of extra footage being done. There was a rumor that Amanda and Rick were called back to film after they'd shut down a couple of weeks, but I'm not sure if it's true. I saw nothing that seemed 'added' in Moebius 1 or 2, so if the rumor is true, it 'might' have been to use at the beginning of season 9. And that is pure speculation and wishful thinking, no facts to back this up.

As for the packing referrence... I have no idea. :p It could have been for the fishing trip or somewhere Sam had to go after the fishing fun. Spoilers for season 9 are saying that Sam will be off on special assignment (or a mission, depending on where you hear the spoilers), and will be far, far away. That could be good or bad for ship; I just don't know.

I'm not sure I helped you at all, but I'm 'talking' about it. :p


Sally :D

meimei
March 30th, 2005, 02:56 AM
SG1-Fanintn, my take on packing. THreads S8 From the playful way that he said it and the fact that he didn't want her anywhere near the scientists once they got started on the ZPM, it was the fishing trip that I thought he was talking about. He didn't want her getting distracted on a project and change her mind about going.

And I love your comment on CA's words at the con... Everyone was a little upset at CA's comment about Jack and Sam getting together over his dead body but that's exactly what happened! Warped sense of humor, that man has!! I love it!

elhSG1
March 30th, 2005, 03:06 AM
spoilers for s8's affinity and threads




I saw Sam *deeply* troubled in Affinity. The only time I saw her happy in that ep (and I mean *really* happy) was when Pete said he was going to move to Colorado Springs to be near her. But when he upped the ante (marriage proposal), Sam became unhappy. She took over two weeks to answer Pete, ranting and raving to Daniel and Teal'c and showing the ring/talking to Jack about her doubts (and I totally believe she was trying to get a rise out of him). I saw a *very* subdued 'yes' to Pete at the end. And I think Pete saw it too, since he wasn't surprised when she broke up with him.

Sally :D


Yes, I completely agree with you. I also think that when she said "yes" it was very spur of the moment.

girlgater
March 30th, 2005, 05:50 AM
Re: Affinity & Threads
I think that Sam was basically settling for Pete because she felt that her relationship with Jack was unobtainable due to regulations. If Jack had given her any indication that they had an immediate future, she would have never agreed to Pete's proposal. In showing Jack the ring she wanted him to say something--anything that would give her a reason to hold off on agreeing to the marriage. Jacob's reaction to Pete only added to Sam's uncertainty in going through with the wedding.

pittsburghgirl
March 30th, 2005, 06:06 AM
Re: Affinity & Threads
I think that Sam was basically settling for Pete because she felt that her relationship with Jack was unobtainable due to regulations. If Jack had given her any indication that they had an immediate future, she would have never agreed to Pete's proposal. In showing Jack the ring she wanted him to say something--anything that would give her a reason to hold off on agreeing to the marriage. Jacob's reaction to Pete only added to Sam's uncertainty in going through with the wedding.
Jack needed to step up to the plate. Of course these characters were written with the denseness of a real rich cheescake-with about as much sense too. I didn't see the first fo the episodes that should not be named-but their vagueness and inability as well as unwillingness to shoot straight caused them to dig a hole so deep...

Token
March 30th, 2005, 08:08 AM
SG1-Fanintn, my take on packing. THreads S8 From the playful way that he said it and the fact that he didn't want her anywhere near the scientists once they got started on the ZPM, it was the fishing trip that I thought he was talking about. He didn't want her getting distracted on a project and change her mind about going. I agree. That's is exactly how I understood his comment. Moebuis The next scene is of them fishing. Sam would have to pack for the trip since it is a long trip and would be several days.



And I love your comment on CA's words at the con... Everyone was a little upset at CA's comment about Jack and Sam getting together over his dead body but that's exactly what happened! Warped sense of humor, that man has!! I love it!

LOL! I would have been just as :mad: if I would have heard that comment without the context. I always knew Jacob was a Shipper!! :D I love Jacob!! :D :D Stargate won't be the same! :( I would say CA knows Jack and Sam are together. It seems WE are the only ones still wanting confirmation. :rolleyes:

Hex.FTB.enabled
March 30th, 2005, 08:53 AM
I have a quick question (please don't rail me for being a bit off-topic): is it really necessary to use all the spoiler tags and space here? Everything being discussed has already aired or more speculation/wishes than confirmed spoilers. Might make the thread a bit easier to read. If I'm way out there, cool and I'll never bring it up again. :)

That CA quote is great, I wasn't aware of it! I agree with the earlier comments on Affinity, Sam was almost begging him.

meimei
March 30th, 2005, 09:06 AM
I have a quick question (please don't rail me for being a bit off-topic): is it really necessary to use all the spoiler tags and space here? Everything being discussed has already aired or more speculation/wishes than confirmed spoilers. Might make the thread a bit easier to read. If I'm way out there, cool and I'll never bring it up again. :)

That CA quote is great, I wasn't aware of it! I agree with the earlier comments on Affinity, Sam was almost begging him.
Forum rules dictate that anything in the current season on Sci-fi or in syndication (S8 and S7, respectively) and any future information, spoilers or speculation, should have spoiler space, preferably the neat tags!

BrenRen
March 30th, 2005, 09:15 AM
I think that Jacob might have thought that Pete was a little immature, at least that's sort of the impression Pete made on me when he came to the SGC to meet Jacob. I did only get to watch that part once, because my tape mess up. :(

I think that Sam not being happy with Pete just wasn't shown in recent episodes, I mean the last time we saw him was when he proposed, I think other things happened between them but unfortunately we just didn't see or hear about it. And another thing is that she never talked about him so I think that's a sign, also when she was with him in Threads you got the impression that she wasn't happy at least that's what I got. I do think that the deleted scene between Jack/Jacob would have given us a better idea as to why Jacob acted the way he did towards Pete, too bad that was cut.


Deleted scene??? Did I miss something?? Please tell me more! Is this "official"? Is there any record of the dialogue in the deleted scene??? Inquiring Shipper Minds Really Wanna Know!!!!!

majorsal
April 2nd, 2005, 03:12 PM
I'm bored. :p I think we've covered about everything left to talk about, without repeating ourselves to death. NO new ship spoilers, NO new Sam and/or Jack spoilers... it's getting a bit hard to hang around this forum now for me. This last time (couple days ago) the forum went down was the easiest for me to handle I'm sorry to say (I *really* am sorry to admit that). I had no urgent feeling of wondering what I'm missing, because I'm 99 percent sure I'm missing nothing. Just keeping these spoilers quiet doesn't mean it's bad news (look how Threads turned out :D), but it's also *extremely* frustrating. I don't want to go through another entire season of secrets. The 8th season drove me nuts. no more secrets. :S I actually understand their reasoning (no spoilers makes *everyone* turn in to see what happens), but when other fans are getting their spoilers, it gets very frustrating when all you're living off is barely scraps. So, after my long-winded spiel... I'm bored, and I hope I can muster up enough interest to even play here anymore. :(


Sally :)

Oma-1
April 2nd, 2005, 04:31 PM
I'm bored. :p I think we've covered about everything left to talk about, without repeating ourselves to death. NO new ship spoilers, NO new Sam and/or Jack spoilers... it's getting a bit hard to hang around this forum now for me. This last time (couple days ago) the forum went down was the easiest for me to handle I'm sorry to say (I *really* am sorry to admit that). I had no urgent feeling of wondering what I'm missing, because I'm 99 percent sure I'm missing nothing. Just keeping these spoilers quiet doesn't mean it's bad news (look how Threads turned out :D), but it's also *extremely* frustrating. I don't want to go through another entire season of secrets. The 8th season drove me nuts. no more secrets. :S I actually understand their reasoning (no spoilers makes *everyone* turn in to see what happens), but when other fans are getting their spoilers, it gets very frustrating when all you're living off is barely scraps. So, after my long-winded spiel... I'm bored, and I hope I can muster up enough interest to even play here anymore. :(


Sally :)


Awww, ((((((Sally)))))), stay and play. We might not have the same sense of emergency about checking out what's happening, but its still fun :D


S7I think Sam has looked uncomfortable with Pete in every ep since Chimera. IMHO Pete was the rebound catcher mitt after Grace and Sam thinking she needed to move on. But then, every time I watch Lost City I wonder how she could still be with Pete after the emotions so clearly showed to us in that ep. The little chat over the hyperdrive crystals was as filled with UST and emotion as the D&C forceshield scene. They stand there and feel those emotions again, with no emotional barriers (just those stupid regs, darn it! Even tho' Jack's retired again, they're still on a mission so they won't just ignore the fate of the world for a quick *cough - gets back on topic* :p)

Then when S8 started, Pete's still there! Sam's more shocked than excited when Pete proposes. She takes weeks to decide how she's going to answer. Affinity sees her asking Jack's opinion, and as usual he leaves it up to her - well lets face it, if she doesn't know how Jack feels by now! When Sam gives Pete her answer, I think it was spur of the moment and that adrenaline rush had a lot to answer for.

Woah, that's getting rather long winded for me :) Suffice it to say, Jacob would have known from the off that Sam wasn't going to marry Pete. Her body language was very clear in Threads from that first moment Pete stepped off the elevator. In the breifing room, Jacob was giving her a nudge to make her see Jack is the man for her, despite those pesky regs.

I think the end of Threads gave us little when you hold it up against *cough* Chimera *cough*. But look at it from the perspective of the last 8 seasons and the regulations.

We've not been allowed to see any RST before because S&J were still serving the same chain of command - hence all the AU's, ALT, imaginings, time loops etc .... and why Sam never went to Minnesota. We all know what going to Minnesota means. It means they are together. At this point, Sam & Jack are still in the same chain of command so showing this much is court-marshallable offence! We were never going to get any more than this in S8

As for S9. I agree with others that Jack's limited screentime won't be spent on obvious ship. I'll settle for a phone call between Sam & Jack with "me too" on the end, this time with a big smile rather than a grimace, and that honestly will do. I would love to see loads of ship confirming stuff - still waitin' for that big honkin' kiss! *taps toe impatiently* I just don't think we're gonna get it.

Even so, roll on S9! More spoilers please!

mad_gater
April 2nd, 2005, 04:52 PM
I'm bored. :p I think we've covered about everything left to talk about, without repeating ourselves to death. NO new ship spoilers, NO new Sam and/or Jack spoilers... it's getting a bit hard to hang around this forum now for me. This last time (couple days ago) the forum went down was the easiest for me to handle I'm sorry to say (I *really* am sorry to admit that). I had no urgent feeling of wondering what I'm missing, because I'm 99 percent sure I'm missing nothing. Just keeping these spoilers quiet doesn't mean it's bad news (look how Threads turned out :D), but it's also *extremely* frustrating. I don't want to go through another entire season of secrets. The 8th season drove me nuts. no more secrets. :S I actually understand their reasoning (no spoilers makes *everyone* turn in to see what happens), but when other fans are getting their spoilers, it gets very frustrating when all you're living off is barely scraps. So, after my long-winded spiel... I'm bored, and I hope I can muster up enough interest to even play here anymore. :(


Sally :)
(((((((((((((Sally))))))))))))))

Think we should all just board the shipper mansion with Sam and Jack and their kidlets and dogs and just hyperspace outta here ala the Ancients? :P:D:P:D:P:D:P:D

And a big shipper family toast to one of the greatest men and spiritual leaders who ever lived:

POPE JOHN PAUL II, WE HOPE YOU REST IN PEACE WITH THE ALMIGHTY FATHER!!!!

After all, he probably would've given his blessings on Sam and Jack too...;)

Buc252
April 2nd, 2005, 06:40 PM
POPE JOHN PAUL II, WE HOPE YOU REST IN PEACE WITH THE ALMIGHTY FATHER!!!![/SIZE]

After all, he probably would've given his blessings on Sam and Jack too...;)

I agree on both points. It's hard for me to come here today and think about Sam and Jack when this has just happened, but I think that he would have looked at them fondly and thought, "ah, young love!"

Rest in Peace, Your Holiness. You'll be fondly missed.

ravinia
April 2nd, 2005, 10:27 PM
I agree with all of you - it's frustrating, and we don't need much, just something please.

Two thoughts.
1. I'll be very disappointed if TPTB don't give us SOMETHING in S9 only because Moebius left us with a very juvenile, silly taste in our mouths regarding the S/J ship.

2. Phone calls may actually be the way the writers will go... I have hope! Because they've used this before. In Citizen Joe, for example, it opens with the two of them having that very comfortable phone conversation about their respective weekend plans. It seems to be one device the writers aren't afraid to use. They're certainly afraid of any real physical contact or, god forbid, any face-to-face-in-this-reality dialogue! And RDA can certainly "phone in" his side of the conversation filming in LA. ha ha.

Ravinia

sg-1fanintn
April 2nd, 2005, 11:23 PM
Ok, after thinking about this for more than a week (and my husband, who is also a fan, thinks I've become overly-obsessed), let's consider these points:

1. Everything came to a head in "Threads." From Jacob to Agent Johnson, people were finally vocalizing what Daniel and Teal'c (and we) have known for so long: our pair were meant to be together. After watching (and rewatching) the nuances, I feel they are together. Jack's move to DC will actually make this easier, because we'll be free of the regs.

2. The time has come to fish or cut bait (as we say here in the south). If TPTB don't let S/J acknowledge the relationship in early S9, they will:
A. Alienate a huge part of the fan base at the same time that RDA's presence decreases and
B. Have missed their prime window of opportunity to capitalize on what they've been building toward for four years. Face it: by the time Troi and Wriker got together in ST: NG, no one cared anymore! It was an afterthought, an excuse for a party in a movie.

I have to think TPTB will want to avoid that mistake (especially if they still have movie hopes). The sexual tension between Sam and Jack has never been stronger, and early S9 will be the best chance to resolve it once and for all, so we can be happy. Having him in regular contact with her, whether by phone or appearance, would keep him "alive and part of the SG-1 landscape," as Joe Mallozzi said he would be.

Why is our happiness important to TPTB? Because it makes us more likely to accept the new characters and other changes they're throwing at us. They need SG-1 to go on at least another year, while they work to strenghten and grow SG: Atlantis. I like the characters and stories in SGA, but I don't think it's compelling enough yet to stand on its own without its parent series. Right now, Battlestar Gallactica is much more edgy. And the Aiden Ford controversy shows us TPTB are still tinkering with SGA, trying to get the formula right.

I also believe that RDA will make limited appearances throughout the season. With Wylie reaching school age, I can understand him wanting to be in L. A. more. But he owns part of the franchise, and has a vested interest in its success. If I were TPTB, I'd accomodate him with some easy-to-reach L.A. shoots.....even if it meant others had to fly in from Vancouver to shoot with him. Jack O'Neill is larger than life, and RDA's portrayal is so far beyond what Kurt Russell did in the movie that it isn't even funny! Although I love all the team, he IS the franchise, to a huge measure.

All right, I've rambled on long enough. What do others think?

girlgater
April 3rd, 2005, 05:01 AM
I'm very anxious for S9 and I really think that TPTB will give us something--be it a phone call, breif joint appearance between S/J--something. It will have to be tempered (I'm afraid) for the non-shippers in order that it won't upset them too much. I'm not even sure we'll get the honkin' kiss that we've wanted. But, even saying that, I think that it will be made obvious to all the viewers (shipper and non-shipper) that Sam and Jack are together. Frankly, I can't wait for July.

Hex.FTB.enabled
April 3rd, 2005, 05:02 PM
Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I do think that we'll get something in season 9. To do all that they did in Threads and Moebius (regardless of whether you like it or not) and to then completely ignore it would be more awkward than any scene I could imagine of S/J mumbling their feelings. At this point I'd be satisfied with spoilers on just what Jack will be doing in the episode's RDA's confirmed to be in, not the backstory of why he'll be gone.

pittsburghgirl
April 3rd, 2005, 05:38 PM
Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I do think that we'll get something in season 9. To do all that they did in Threads and Moebius (regardless of whether you like it or not) and to then completely ignore it would be more awkward than any scene I could imagine of S/J mumbling their feelings. At this point I'd be satisfied with spoilers on just what Jack will be doing in the episode's RDA's confirmed to be in, not the backstory of why he'll be gone.
you know i would like to be as optimistic as the next guy, but i don't know if i could even add the word cautiously about season 9. -if anyone read JM's thread he said that she would be far far away and that it would be for professional reasons And really nothing really concrete has come out except for what gateworld has had to say.

elhSG1
April 4th, 2005, 03:13 AM
Deleted scene??? Did I miss something?? Please tell me more! Is this "official"? Is there any record of the dialogue in the deleted scene??? Inquiring Shipper Minds Really Wanna Know!!!!!

The deleted scene was something I heard around the forum. Hmm maybe we should ask Joe about it. ;)

majorsal
April 4th, 2005, 03:52 PM
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I'm very anxious for S9 and I really think that TPTB will give us something--be it a phone call, breif joint appearance between S/J--something. It will have to be tempered (I'm afraid) for the non-shippers in order that it won't upset them too much. I'm not even sure we'll get the honkin' kiss that we've wanted. But, even saying that, I think that it will be made obvious to all the viewers (shipper and non-shipper) that Sam and Jack are together. Frankly, I can't wait for July.

I have a comment to make on the highlighted above sentence, but it's not a rant at you, girlgater. ;)

If S/J ship would be watered down as to not offend the anti shippers... were we given the same privilege with the Sam/Pete scenes in Chimera and the engagement stuff in Affinity? Did they 'worry' about us? How we'd handle seeing something that didn't necessarily offend us but break our hearts? Answer: NOPE.

Sam/Jack isn't some gross couple/concept where the guy is 90 and the girl is barely in her 20s. It's not that they're related in blood, or that they're screwing each other's brains out while they're the cause of ppl dying around them. So why has this simple little couple/concept been treated sometimes like it's some dark secret to only be mentioned behind closed doors? Because we (s/j shippers) have been made to feel that way by not only certain fans, but even some of the ppl making this show. And *everyone* that complains the loudest has their own agendas to not liking it. If it's none of the above 'disreputable' ideas, then it's just personal taste that doesn't make this couple float your boat.

I don't want to hear anymore excuses for them not getting together now. There are NONE. If RDA/Jack's not around, then show/prove they're together in other ways.

I'm sorry for the rant, but it's like we almost have to apologize for being an S/J shipper.

Not this shipper.

rant over.


Sally :)

ShimmeringStar
April 4th, 2005, 05:56 PM
Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I do think that we'll get something in season 9. To do all that they did in Threads and Moebius (regardless of whether you like it or not) and to then completely ignore it would be more awkward than any scene I could imagine of S/J mumbling their feelings. At this point I'd be satisfied with spoilers on just what Jack will be doing in the episode's RDA's confirmed to be in, not the backstory of why he'll be gone.For discussion, not argument.... :)

IMOHO, the PTB excel at awkward... Look what they did in season 4. They gave us some of the shippiest eps ever... Upgrades, Divide and Conquer, Window of Opportunity and Beneath the Surface. Upgrades #403 and D&C #405 where they showed us Sam & Jack's confessions (that they did care for each other more than they were supposed to), WoO #406 (the fun kiss), and Beneath the Surface #410 (they shared with us that the two had a romantic and sexual relationship that they both fully remembered after the memory stamp wore off).

And then.. from eposide #411 and thereafter... nothing much. Sure there was Entity (#420), The Light (#418), 2010 (#416) and Tangent (#412), but nothing that came directly out the way those earlier S4 eps did to say there is a ship here. OK, so nothing is ever that *direct* in the Stargate universe... :rolleyes: :p ...but there was a season where things were acknowledged and then TPTB went ran screaming in the other direction concerning that ship... so far in the other direction that we got Pete.

I too would hope they would make mention of how the ship was sailing in S9, but given how they tried to sink the ship after S4..... :o I won't get my hopes up too high.

Hopefully some S9 spoilers will leak out at the Con 2 weeks from now... :)

Hex.FTB.enabled
April 4th, 2005, 07:11 PM
Interesting point. Maybe I'm just being hopeful, it can't hurt. :) Was their an implied sexual relationship too in Beneath the Surface?? Maybe it just went over me head...cuz that never happens to me.

Hopefully some S9 spoilers will leak out at the Con 2 weeks from now... :)
Make sure you keep the rest of us informed if they do! :)

girlgater
April 5th, 2005, 04:00 AM
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I have a comment to make on the highlighted above sentence, but it's not a rant at you, girlgater. ;)

If S/J ship would be watered down as to not offend the anti shippers... were we given the same privilege with the Sam/Pete scenes in Chimera and the engagement stuff in Affinity? Did they 'worry' about us? How we'd handle seeing something that didn't necessarily offend us but break our hearts? Answer: NOPE.

Sam/Jack isn't some gross couple/concept where the guy is 90 and the girl is barely in her 20s. It's not that they're related in blood, or that they're screwing each other's brains out while they're the cause of ppl dying around them. So why has this simple little couple/concept been treated sometimes like it's some dark secret to only be mentioned behind closed doors? Because we (s/j shippers) have been made to feel that way by not only certain fans, but even some of the ppl making this show. And *everyone* that complains the loudest has their own agendas to not liking it. If it's none of the above 'disreputable' ideas, then it's just personal taste that doesn't make this couple float your boat.

I don't want to hear anymore excuses for them not getting together now. There are NONE. If RDA/Jack's not around, then show/prove they're together in other ways.

I'm sorry for the rant, but it's like we almost have to apologize for being an S/J shipper.

Not this shipper.

rant over.


Sally :)


Sally, you're right. They should give us, as shippers, the same consideration as they do the anti's. It's not fair that they shoved the "unthinkable" relationship between Sam and Pete down our throats and then to appease the anti-shippers only hinted at, and gave alternate reality shippiness for S/J.

I'm hoping S9 will give us what we've waited on for 8 years. We sure deserve it!

ohshocking
April 11th, 2005, 12:49 PM
They should give us, as shippers, the same consideration as they do the anti's. It's not fair that they shoved the "unthinkable" relationship between Sam and Pete down our throats and then to appease the anti-shippers only hinted at, and gave alternate reality shippiness for S/J.

I completely agree :) It's not fair that we've had to suffer through a Sam/Pete engagement (it's not as if she was only dating him) and then only get AU shippiness in return (well we still get hints, but nothing ever gets resolved unless it's AU; writers sitting on the fence!).

I don't understand that if some people complain about S/J shippiness, and use the argument that it's a 'team' show, then why is it acceptable to have relationships like Sam/Pete, but not for Sam/Jack?

If the PTB didn't want there to be anything between Sam and Jack then they shouldn't have built it up in the first place and let it develop so much. It's unfair to do that and then only give us AU ship to try to keep the anti's happy.

/rant.

auralan
April 14th, 2005, 10:22 AM
Sides for production number 907 (Ex Deus Machina) are up. That's the seventh produced, but airing order may vary since they film out of order at times.

Spoilers ahoy:
Sam is in this one. She has a scene talking with Daniel and is in the briefing room in another with Landry and the gang. There's no mention of Jack or why she was gone. Nothing shippy either, but I only have a small percentage of the total episode info. The bits I have all revolve around the core of the story, so no surprise there's no big news there on the ship front.

Mallozzi and Mullie are writing this one. It's about Ba'al. Seems he's been hiding out on earth! They're searching for him and the whole situation is causing strain in dimplomatic relations with the rebel jaffa (who are also looking for Ba'al). Looks like a good episode. I'm sure GateWorld will have detailed spoilers up soon on the basic plot.

girlgater
April 14th, 2005, 10:38 AM
Well, at least we're starting to get spoilers on S9. I wish there could have been something in regards to the S/J situation, but I'll just have to be patient. I'm glad to hear they're bring Ba'al back.

Thanks for the update.

dipsofjazz
April 14th, 2005, 11:57 AM
Thanks for the info Auralan. Keep it coming. Let's just keep our fingers crossed we get some shippy news. :D

sg-1fanintn
April 14th, 2005, 12:23 PM
Hey, auralan and pittsburghgirl......and all my other fellow shippers.....

one ray of hope.....

The info is from episode 907. Amanda should return in 906. It has been my thought all along that they would resolve the ship (either live or via flashback or dialogue) in either 901 or 903 (when RDA is there). Logically, after that, it wouldn't be mentioned til Amanda's return in 906. Then, they would probably ignore it again, so I don't really expect it to be mentioned in 907.

Am I being too optimistic here.....or does that make sense? I know one thing: it makes it all that more important that we get some good info from Vancouver!!!!!

Ya think??????

auralan
April 19th, 2005, 08:57 AM
Info for from 508 (Babylon) is starting to arrive. I expect more from this one is likely in a few days and will report back if there's anything worth mentioning.

Spoilers ahoy:

None of the bits I have (which are a small portion of the total episode) mention Sam or Jack at all, so obviously no ship news to report. I'm not sure if Sam's even in this episode or back on SG-1 full time yet. She's not mentioned in any of the parts I have and some would seem logical to include her if she was part of the team. Pure spec: Due to the baby arriving late, they could be minimizing Sam's role in Amanda's first few episodes back to give her more time off.

Catysg1
April 26th, 2005, 02:13 AM
Nothing much to say other than" I love Sam and Jack ship "and just putting that thread in first page :) for the serious Sam and Jack dicussion only -no off topic :)


Caty:)

Myrth
April 26th, 2005, 02:46 AM
Hi I'm new... well kinda.. been lurking.. but I couldn't resist de-lurking to chime in on this.

I got into SG this year and well let's say my interest in stargate has a focus and it's not the whole team.

I love the way Sam & Jack has been a realistic and slow burn... people do exist in that situation and they have to deal with it. I give massive kudos to the actors, the writers and everyone else involved for executing this ship with grace and dramatic realism....

That said... I have a (futile) wish for what I'd like to see in s9 so I wanted to share... I don't get this tag thing.. so I'm gonna have a go at it to be on the safe side...and probably get it wrong...

S9 Spoilery type info:I'd love to see a scene open on the briefing room with Daniel, Teal'c and the new guy there clearly waiting. They don't know what they're actually waiting for, the General hasn't told them.

An aide walks in and whispers in the General's ear.. he says something like "Thankyou for your patience people, Colonel O'Neill has arrived and we'll start in a moment"

Daniel gets that perplexed look on his face, Teal'c right eyebrow hits his hairline and the new guy looks confused. Daniel mouths Colonel.. to Teal'c... then Sam walks in with a grin on her face....

I know it's sappy and probably sad.. but it would keep me laughing my ass off through a Jackless season 9....

:)

Hex.FTB.enabled
April 26th, 2005, 06:48 AM
Aw, that put a smile on my face. Obviously the liklihood of that is incredibly slim, but it would be so cute. The way I've had to resolve the ship stuff in my head is to (wince) borrow a cliche: it ain't over til its over. I think that we know absolutely NOTHING about where Sam is or how she's coming back at the beginning means there's little point in speculating how it could be ship related. With so much new stuff going on, the show still has a ways to go, and I just want to have a satisfactory ship resolved by the time the show ends.

Myrth
April 26th, 2005, 07:34 AM
I'm with you there.. on the resolve at the end thing.. and being new my hope candle burns strong... or some such thing. In the meantime I plan to amuse myself with pretty stuff and fanfic concepts.

It will be interesting to see where they go in s9 and whether the show survives beyond this season (apparently saying it's gonna end is goodluck). I would expect that if it doesn't we'll see a resolve.. because 9 years of ust without resolution is just cruel... and from what I've read half the crew would be kinda sad about that too. I find hope in that.

:)



Aw, that put a smile on my face. Obviously the liklihood of that is incredibly slim, but it would be so cute. The way I've had to resolve the ship stuff in my head is to (wince) borrow a cliche: it ain't over til its over. I think that we know absolutely NOTHING about where Sam is or how she's coming back at the beginning means there's little point in speculating how it could be ship related. With so much new stuff going on, the show still has a ways to go, and I just want to have a satisfactory ship resolved by the time the show ends.

Commander Aegir
April 26th, 2005, 09:51 AM
the relationship can't progrss much more because of richard dean anderson being away from filming

Spimman
April 26th, 2005, 10:15 AM
Uh oh...we have a non-believer. You have to think happy thoughts or it will never happen, we all know RDA is going to make a suprise come back after realizing how empty his life is without Sg-1. ;)

Maybe?

Hex.FTB.enabled
April 26th, 2005, 11:05 AM
I don't think we'll get to see many shippy scenes because RDA's gone, granted. But TPTB can establish that there is a relationship now, whether Jack's physically in the scene or not, and there's always the possibility that RDA will show up for an ep or two down the road, same as MS in Abyss.

SamCarterONeill
April 26th, 2005, 12:58 PM
Hey I love this new thread!

My humble thoughts on S9 (as stated before on the family thread)

SamCarterONeill's random thoughts

i personally find it interesting that Bren's character (i still haven't gone to the bother of learning his name-- i'm so sad! lmao)... that he's a colonel. Because SAM is a colonel. So... why have 2 the same rank?? it confuses me. SO, i got to thinking and i have decided that MAYBE Sam is going to leave the military? I mean, it wouldn't be necessary since she wouldn't be DIRECTLY in jack's chain of command...

Otherwise, I am extremely hopeful for some progression of their relationship because (a) THREADS and (b) Mobius. They wouldn't have gone to all that bother to just forget about the relationship, you know?

I also think that they DIDN'T let us down in S4. S4 was my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE and it was just to... establish the relationship. And it was unlike THREADS because at the end of D&C, they left it in "this room" but at the end of threads, they WENT FISHING (!!!)

So.... that's just my glass half-full perspective. Hope you agree. ;-)

fan of jack
April 27th, 2005, 09:55 AM
Extremely simple inexpensive way of showing the ship firmly resolved and RDA wouldn't even be necessary for the scene.

Sam (on phone): I love you, too. Bye. (hangs up and turns to Daniel and Teal'c) Jack says hi.

Done... Finito... Over. Take maybe 15 seconds of a scene and leave absolutely no doubt as to the "adult convo" taking place. It would have had to in order to get to that level of intimacy even on the phone.

I love this idea or even if jack was saying "i love you ,too. bye" then sam says hi. because sam is missing for first few episodes either way would be so cool after waiting for years to see them together. :D

Myrth
April 27th, 2005, 04:48 PM
Along a similiar line whenever I think of this the following takes place in my head:

End of a briefing or what have you. Daniel walks over to Jack hands in his pockets.

"How's Sam?"

Jack looks up from shuffling papers (or whathaveyou).

"She's fine." Pause "She says hi."

Then we get that tight little Jack smile before he walks off down the hallway.

To me that (while not being the resolution I wanna see on-screen) would be a nice little throw to the relationship and the tie to keep it alive. Then later when it's Sam around not Jack.. similar conversation takes place with Sam.

:)

Brandie
June 21st, 2005, 07:32 AM
Any new news? I've been drooling for spoilers, real ones.

sg-1fanintn
June 21st, 2005, 09:40 AM
Not really.....

They've teased us a lot and lead us on, but haven't really told us anything. The biggest concern right now is over Carter's return and her place on the team when she does. The rest of the concern among those of us who are S/J shippers is whether there will be any S9 phone calls, dialogue references, anything at all, to indicate that Sam & Jack are in a relationship.

Most of the Sam/Jack discussion has moved to the link below. Feel free to join us!

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=8580&page=242&pp=20

samnjack4ever
April 9th, 2006, 09:36 PM
Hi! I am a huge fan of SG1, primarily because I LOVE Sam and Jack together!!! I have seen every episode of season 1 through season 8, but this is my first time in a chat room. Can someone tell me what "s/j ship" and "shippers" are? Thanks, it'll help me follow the conversation much better. :)

majorsal
April 9th, 2006, 09:48 PM
Hi! I am a huge fan of SG1, primarily because I LOVE Sam and Jack together!!! I have seen every episode of season 1 through season 8, but this is my first time in a chat room. Can someone tell me what "s/j ship" and "shippers" are? Thanks, it'll help me follow the conversation much better. :)

hi! ;)

s/j ship is sam/jack relationship. 'shippers' are ppl that like them together.

i'd like to suggest you going to the 'sam/jack ship family discussion thread', in the characters and relationship area. that's what all the shippers hang out and discuss things. ;)




sally :D

samnjack4ever
April 9th, 2006, 09:56 PM
Thanks!!!

true_romance
April 30th, 2006, 08:19 AM
hi samnjack4ever welcome to the familly

Chelle DB
May 1st, 2006, 06:34 PM
WooHoo! Sam and Jack together forever!! I think they're a perfect match. I say buggar the regs and let them go for it. They should make a spin off called "The Jack and Sam Ship". It would have to be better viewing than the OC.:D :p

sg-1fanintn
June 9th, 2006, 06:55 PM
Hello, everyone!

Look what I found!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/newsgoddess/306_06.jpg

Whoo-hoo!!! It's our buddy Jack, in a photo gallery from the SGA ep, Real World. Lookin' good!!!

If someone has already posted this tonight, please forgive me.
But I saw it and didn't want to wait a second longer to share it!
And since Darren has been posting a lot in the evenings lately,
I took a shot that I'd get to show this to you first!!!

:jack: + :sam: = :love:

shipper hannah
June 10th, 2006, 01:52 AM
Interesting point. Maybe I'm just being hopeful, it can't hurt. :) Was their an implied sexual relationship too in Beneath the Surface??
i think it was an idea tptb had, but it never actually happened: i think they thought there was already too much s/j ship in s4.
there was no evidence in the ep to suggest it, but you can always fill in the blanks as to what happened behind the scenes.

JacksYummy
June 18th, 2006, 10:15 AM
In the directors cut I heard Peter D say Jack and Sam were to kiss but they cut it from the script because they thought there had been to much Shipping going on that season. (But it happend in my mind anyway)

Lizlove
June 18th, 2006, 10:53 AM
In the directors cut I heard Peter D say Jack and Sam were to kiss but they cut it from the script because they thought there had been to much Shipping going on that season. (But it happend in my mind anyway)
That's good for us. At least they're not against it otherwise they wouldn't put soooo much that they had to remove it afterwards. :p
Lets hope they are craving for ship in S10 too!

shipper hannah
June 18th, 2006, 01:08 PM
In the directors cut I heard Peter D say Jack and Sam were to kiss but they cut it from the script because they thought there had been to much Shipping going on that season. (But it happend in my mind anyway)

oh i would've loved to see that! an *ACTUAL* kiss please!!

Goddess
July 16th, 2006, 03:20 PM
I usually just read the forums instead of posting, but the funniest thing happened the other day and I had to share with some fellow shippers.
So my friend and I were watching some random episode of Stargate (I can't remember which one) and Sam was going on about her usual technobabble to Jack while he "listened patiently". My sister who has never seen an episode of Stargate walks in. She goes, "Are they married?" We're like "No." And she goes "Idiots." and walks out. It was great! Even non-fans can tell they're meant to be!

jafacakes
July 17th, 2006, 11:39 AM
I usually just read the forums instead of posting, but the funnies thing happened the other day and I had to share with some fellow shippers.
So my friend and I were watching some random episode of Stargate (I can't remember which one) and Sam was going on about her usual technobabble to Jack while he "listened patiently". My sister who has never seen an episode of Stargate walks in. She goes, "Are they married?" We're like "No." And she goes "Idiots." and walks out. It was great! Even non-fans can tell they're meant to be!

Hi Goddess welcome to the shipper family , that is a great story :)
You may want to copy this post and post it in the Sam/Jack ship family discussion thread as this one doesn't get as busy unless there is serious discussion going on:)

Goddess
July 17th, 2006, 12:14 PM
I'll do that! Thanks for the tip!

SG1-XF9
August 30th, 2006, 09:22 PM
They are meant to be together....!!!
I like the ep "Threads":
Sam is the only one who made THE big step for revealing her feeling to Jack. I was just SO frustrated when the girl came up!! AAAHAHAHAAHAAH!!!!!!!!She was going to say something so important....

I think this episode was the most intense of all... (like for the Shippers!)...I don't think after that... we have ever been able to see other scenes with them. (I don't talk about moebius pt1-2)....the suspense is in this episode.

Question: If Moebius part 2 would have been the last episode of all...would you have been satisfied with S/J knowing that the kiss was not in the real reality???
My answer: No....because I know the kiss was not real....they go fishing....(where is the shippy moment in that!?!?)Well...it was really cute to see them fishing, but no real kiss, no real sweet tension or any deep look at each other.

Terrah
September 8th, 2006, 02:54 PM
I havn't posted in here for ages.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/Terrah/Stargate%20SG1/Sam%20Jack/sams3.jpg
A quick manip i did tonight, hope you like it. :)

Lizlove
September 9th, 2006, 01:05 AM
I havn't posted in here for ages.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/Terrah/Stargate%20SG1/Sam%20Jack/sams3.jpg
A quick manip i did tonight, hope you like it. :)
Very good! RCtje will love this :D

carolineoneill
September 25th, 2006, 01:17 AM
Very good! RCtje will love this :D
Oh my god, I am new to this site and a hugh S/J Shipper. Love the Photo from Terrah. It is brilliant.

Lizlove
September 25th, 2006, 06:37 AM
Oh my god, I am new to this site and a hugh S/J Shipper. Love the Photo from Terrah. It is brilliant.
Then I hope you went here (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=8580)! :D :love:

RepliCartertje
September 25th, 2006, 07:17 AM
Very good! RCtje will love this :D
How do you know that girl ;)
But true I do love it...I think it is AWSOME... sorry I already have said that in another thread...and I keep missing reading this thread cause it isn't by my subscriptions...but it is nice :D

***subscribe herself to this thread***

Lizlove
September 25th, 2006, 07:20 AM
How do you know that girl ;)
But true I do love it...I think it is AWSOME... sorry I already have said that in another thread...and I keep missing reading this thread cause it isn't by my subscriptions...but it is nice :D

***subscribe herself to this thread***
Because it's about RepliCartertje!!! *hint, hint* ;)

You should suscribe yourself automatically to a thread when you post. Just have to go in options and click one little thing :p

RepliCartertje
September 25th, 2006, 07:23 AM
Because it's about Replicarter!!! ;)

You should suscribe yourself automatically to a thread when you post. Just have to go in options and click one little thing :p
ok true that is why I like it has RC in it...and when it has that in it I do like it most of the time...but I love the blue in it...It makes it mysterious...

and if I have to suscribe myself to every thread I write in...well than I need all day to read everything :p

Nefertiti
November 3rd, 2006, 04:19 AM
Ok I hardly come in this room because I am a huge Daniel/Vala shipper but I do like the idea of Jack and Sam together as well. OK so here I go…….I heard from a board that I visit that during a convention Amanda was asked if there will ever be a jack/Sam relationship and she was quoted saying Just “Yes”. This was before season ten I believe and then a photo was leaked out …..This photo is of Jack holding an image of the alternate Carter and O’Neil. I believe it is the new episode coming in the second half of season 10 where Carter goes to an alternate dimension. (All is rumors until I know all the facts please) …..If you already heard this sorry about repeating the news!
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q181/Goddess-Nefertiti/wedding2.jpg

hope leslie hermnharry
November 3rd, 2006, 04:26 AM
Ok I hardly come in this room because I am a huge Daniel/Vala shipper but I do like the idea of Jack and Sam together as well. OK so here I go…….I heard from a board that I visit that during a convention Amanda was asked if there will ever be a jack/Sam relationship and she was quoted saying Just “Yes”. This was before season ten I believe and then a photo was leaked out …..This photo is of Jack holding an image of the alternate Carter and O’Neil. I believe it is the new episode coming in the second half of season 10 where Carter goes to an alternate dimension. (All is rumors until I know all the facts please) …..If you already heard this sorry about repeating the news!
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q181/Goddess-Nefertiti/wedding2.jpg


OMG I would FREAK OUT!!!!!!!!PLSE LET THIS BE TRUE!!!!!:love: :cool:

Nefertiti
November 3rd, 2006, 04:42 AM
OMG I would FREAK OUT!!!!!!!!PLSE LET THIS BE TRUE!!!!!:love: :cool:

I am going to hope this is....I will find the link to the news about the convention question (be right back)

sg-1fanintn
November 3rd, 2006, 07:00 PM
Ok I hardly come in this room because I am a huge Daniel/Vala shipper but I do like the idea of Jack and Sam together as well. OK so here I go…….I heard from a board that I visit that during a convention Amanda was asked if there will ever be a jack/Sam relationship and she was quoted saying Just “Yes”. This was before season ten I believe and then a photo was leaked out …..This photo is of Jack holding an image of the alternate Carter and O’Neil. I believe it is the new episode coming in the second half of season 10 where Carter goes to an alternate dimension. (All is rumors until I know all the facts please) …..If you already heard this sorry about repeating the news!
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q181/Goddess-Nefertiti/wedding2.jpg


Let me set the record straight for you. I was at the convention (Shore Leave, last July in Baltimore) where Amanda made that comment. Here's what was said:
When asked about whether there would be Sam/Jack ship in Season 10, AT said, "The answer could be a three-letter word...or a two-letter word....and it's the three letter word."

Everyone went wild, and she was grinning and said something to the effect of, "Or maybe the answer is 'maybe.'" But she teased us some more about it, we all had fun and everyone went away from the session feeling pretty positive about her tone and the future of the Ship.

As to the pic, that is a photo manip made by one of the very talented people who come here to GW. It's from episode 618, Forsaken. The original photo Jack was holding was of one of the guest stars in that ep and his wife...but one of our talented pals (Terrah, I think) removed that photo and substituted the S/J wedding photo from Season 3's Point of View.


So part of what your heard was pretty true...but I wanted you to know that the photo was a fan creation made using elements from two episodes. And yes, there is some talk about an AU ep called The Road Not Taken in the second half of S10, but I don't know any more about it now. Personally, I'm somewhat tired of AU S/J Ship. I want TPTB to admit that OUR Sam and Jack are together!

There are so many talented people on GW! If you love Sam & Jack, most of the Shippers post on the S/J Ship Family Discussion Thread. If you're a big Sam fan, many of us hang out in the Sam's a Great Character Thread. BTW, those are the two most popular threads at GW. Each has had more than 1,000,000 replies. And if you love great fan art, try Mala's World.

Tons of talent at Gateworld!

samcarterrules
December 9th, 2006, 03:14 AM
Hi I just found this thread, I am a HUGE Sam/Jack shipper they HAVE to be together, TPTB pleeeeeeeezzzzz

Julia(samcarterrules)

*chants to self**will NOT read spoils.will NOT read spoilers*

sg-1fanintn
December 14th, 2006, 02:32 PM
Real Life has me tied up in a corner. But I wanted to drop by
to let those of you who may be interested know about this upcoming event...

The Sam/Jack Ship Family Discussion Thread will celebrate both Shipmas and A Shippy New Year!

By popular demand, we'll celebrate:


Shipmas: Sunday, December 17th
A Shippy New Year: Saturday, December 30th


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/newsgoddess/zuz---bigmchpostcard3uc7.jpg
(Holiday pic by the very talented and generous zuz)

The events will take place in the S/J Ship Family thread. I'll open the celebrations at 12-midnight Eastern Standard (U.S.) Time, and they will run for 24 hours.

So prepare your shippy stories, vids, poems, pics and anything else that expresses the love we know that Sam and Jack share. If you don't think you're creative, then just come prepared to talk about your favorite episodes and moments.

Are there S/J Ship fic authors or other artists you'd like to invite to be there on these special days? E-mail or PM them.

All S/J Shippers, past and present, invited!


:love: This is a free-for-all celebration of Sam & Jack! :love:
:love: Prepare to have fun! :love:

sg-1fanintn
December 16th, 2006, 06:46 PM
It's almost time....starting at midnight Eastern Standard Time (U.S.):

The Sam/Jack Ship Family Discussion Thread will celebrate both Shipmas and A Shippy New Year!

By popular demand, we'll celebrate:


Shipmas: Sunday, December 17th
A Shippy New Year: Saturday, December 30th


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/newsgoddess/zuz---bigmchpostcard3uc7.jpg
(Holiday pic by the very talented and generous zuz)

The events will take place in the S/J Ship Family thread. I'll open the celebrations at 12-midnight Eastern Standard (U.S.) Time, and they will run for 24 hours.

So prepare your shippy stories, vids, poems, pics and anything else that expresses the love we know that Sam and Jack share. If you don't think you're creative, then just come prepared to talk about your favorite episodes and moments.

Are there S/J Ship fic authors or other artists you'd like to invite to be there on these special days? E-mail or PM them.

All S/J Shippers, past and present, invited!


:love: This is a free-for-all celebration of Sam & Jack! :love:
:love: Prepare to have fun! :love:

gater88
December 29th, 2006, 09:33 AM
I have only just got the internet (i know i've been living in the dark ages) and Sam/Jack ship forums are the 1st thing i looked for. I've been reading this thread for just under a day now. I love Sam and Jack just as much as they love each other!!!

SamJackShipLover
December 29th, 2006, 09:40 AM
I have only just got the internet (i know i've been living in the dark ages) and Sam/Jack ship forums are the 1st thing i looked for. I've been reading this thread for just under a day now. I love Sam and Jack just as much as they love each other!!!
Welcome to Gateworld, try this (http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?p=6141452#post6141452) page, here all we Sam/Jack shippers come together, we're one big happy family :) Introduce yourself and you'll be sure to get a big welcome :love:

KatieB
January 31st, 2007, 08:47 PM
THIS MIGHT BE A SPOILER FOR NORTH AMERICAN MEMBERS SO BEWARE ....

EPISODE 10 - 14 "THE SHROUD"


=====================================
I just saw this episode this evening (it was aired by Sky TV in Ireland on Jan 30th) and man, it is a complete bummer .... as a long standing Sam/Jack shipper, I was happy to believe with the hints we had been thrown that Sam and Jack had finally got it together.

But in this episode, Jack was back at the SGC, and even in the scenes where they were on their own, Sam called Jack "Sir" and (more worryingly) there was a definite lack of chemistry between them. There was nothing to even hint that they had anything but a strictly professional relationship.

What's going on here? The McKay marraige in the previous episode was a funny joke, but the Sam/Jack romance has always been one of the key components of the mix that made SG1 so special. Now that we are so close to the end, I would hope that the producers are going to do the right thing, and allow Sam and Jack to reach the logical conclusion of their relationship.

Agent Scully
January 31st, 2007, 10:08 PM
Nefertiti, the picture look like a fake to me.
and " the road not taken" has no jack in it :(
really desapointed by "the shroud" too. They could have make at least one scene between them...it was so easy but no, nothing like the usual.:(

JackandSamAddict
February 2nd, 2007, 08:40 AM
THIS MIGHT BE A SPOILER FOR NORTH AMERICAN MEMBERS SO BEWARE ....

EPISODE 10 - 14 "THE SHROUD"


=====================================
I just saw this episode this evening (it was aired by Sky TV in Ireland on Jan 30th) and man, it is a complete bummer .... as a long standing Sam/Jack shipper, I was happy to believe with the hints we had been thrown that Sam and Jack had finally got it together.

But in this episode, Jack was back at the SGC, and even in the scenes where they were on their own, Sam called Jack "Sir" and (more worryingly) there was a definite lack of chemistry between them. There was nothing to even hint that they had anything but a strictly professional relationship.

What's going on here? The McKay marraige in the previous episode was a funny joke, but the Sam/Jack romance has always been one of the key components of the mix that made SG1 so special. Now that we are so close to the end, I would hope that the producers are going to do the right thing, and allow Sam and Jack to reach the logical conclusion of their relationship.

I know that it may seem that all hope is lost, but it's really not!! I don't find anthing wrong with the 'sir', he is still her boss. Even if they had more than a professional relationship (and I believe they do) for all intents and purposes they couldn't explore those things at work) well, except that a worried daniel hug would have been nice...we've had hurt Danny ship before...Okay, now I'm becoming depressed the more that I write this! Anyway...

I haven't seen this episode, but will Saturday and am very excited about it. TPTB I know would never given us obvious ship, it was subtle, like the close standing in her lab, the way they seemed comfortable in each other's space. I am usually in the Jack and Sam family discussion and we believe that Jack and Sam....are....

SOOOOOO MARRIED!!!
It's obvious to us that that's what it is, TPTB know what the shippers want, we want Jack and Sam TOGETHER! They are so married, TPTB just need to get over it and tell us already instead of dragging it out like this...I also think that in the episode "Unending" that Sam's emotional scene will be provoked by the fact that she'll never see Jack again...at least that's my shippy mind hoping, pobably against all hope, but TPTB know how to make us happy...they just choose to drag it out.:(

That is my rant for the day:
Happy Shipping!
:love:

sg-1fanintn
February 6th, 2007, 05:43 PM
Fly-by post!

An invitation for a special event at the Sam/Jack Ship Family Discussion Thread....this Sunday, February 11th...

(placed in spoilers so those who are not interested will not have to read it)


Here's the official invitation to:
;;;
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/newsgoddess/valenship-07web.jpg

Please stop by with some stories, piccies, observations, etc., and help make Valenship special...



Just trying to reach those who might be interested. Thanks!

scapephile
February 19th, 2007, 02:07 PM
I shouldn't have been surprised that the writers didn't take advantage of the opportunity to insert a look or a more personal line but I was! I wonder if it was cut? As for the chemistry I think some of that was in the editing(I hope!).

sg-1fanintn
March 17th, 2007, 12:12 AM
Gateworld has just confirmed RDA's involvement in Continuum...


http://www.gateworld.net/news/2007/03/anderson_confirmed_for_icontinuu.shtml

:jack_new_anime06: :samanime20: :jack_new_anime18:
Read it and squee, fans! :jack_new_anime07: :sam59: :jack_new_anime18:


( I like to stay up late on the weekends. )

samcarterrules
April 7th, 2007, 04:15 PM
Hi Everyone,

This is kinda OT but I just got home from Church and before I head off to bed, I wanted to wish everyone a
Happy Easter!!!

Julia(samcarterrules)

kelsie
June 1st, 2007, 01:47 AM
Hey Guys

Good to meet you. I am a huge Jack and Sam shipper! i knew there was chemistry when i saw my first ep Red Sky at 10!


THIS MIGHT BE A SPOILER FOR NORTH AMERICAN MEMBERS SO BEWARE ....

EPISODE 10 - 14 "THE SHROUD"


=====================================
I just saw this episode this evening (it was aired by Sky TV in Ireland on Jan 30th) and man, it is a complete bummer .... as a long standing Sam/Jack shipper, I was happy to believe with the hints we had been thrown that Sam and Jack had finally got it together.

But in this episode, Jack was back at the SGC, and even in the scenes where they were on their own, Sam called Jack "Sir" and (more worryingly) there was a definite lack of chemistry between them. There was nothing to even hint that they had anything but a strictly professional relationship.

What's going on here? The McKay marraige in the previous episode was a funny joke, but the Sam/Jack romance has always been one of the key components of the mix that made SG1 so special. Now that we are so close to the end, I would hope that the producers are going to do the right thing, and allow Sam and Jack to reach the logical conclusion of their relationship.

It was sad that there wasn't more but in the briefing room, Sam and Jack were ALWAYS looking at eachother. U couldn't see all of them but they were sitting next to eachother and u could tell that they were looking at eachother! And in Carters lab - there was a fire that they were trying to hide:rolleyes: !I do find it annoying how Sam and McKay were together but look at is as: every alternate marriage, boyfriend and interest - Non of them have ever worked out EXCEPT for Sam and Jack so they are / will be SO MARRIED!


I know that it may seem that all hope is lost, but it's really not!! I don't find anthing wrong with the 'sir', he is still her boss. Even if they had more than a professional relationship (and I believe they do) for all intents and purposes they couldn't explore those things at work) well, except that a worried daniel hug would have been nice...we've had hurt Danny ship before...Okay, now I'm becoming depressed the more that I write this! Anyway...

I haven't seen this episode, but will Saturday and am very excited about it. TPTB I know would never given us obvious ship, it was subtle, like the close standing in her lab, the way they seemed comfortable in each other's space. I am usually in the Jack and Sam family discussion and we believe that Jack and Sam....are....

SOOOOOO MARRIED!!!
It's obvious to us that that's what it is, TPTB know what the shippers want, we want Jack and Sam TOGETHER! They are so married, TPTB just need to get over it and tell us already instead of dragging it out like this...I also think that in the episode "Unending" that Sam's emotional scene will be provoked by the fact that she'll never see Jack again...at least that's my shippy mind hoping, pobably against all hope, but TPTB know how to make us happy...they just choose to drag it out.:(

That is my rant for the day:
Happy Shipping!
:love:

Sadly having seen Unending (my friend has given up on wating for channel 7 to get their act together and now downloads them - we got season 9 over a year after the end of season 8 was aired and at 11 at night) i know that there is not ANY hint of Sam seeming upset about Jack. Obvisioually she was angry that she couldnt get them back but i don't remember Jack's name coming up at all :( But it was good news for the Daniel/Vala shippers :D - all that sexual tension out the window, well for a while!

Kels

sg-1fanintn
June 1st, 2007, 09:18 PM
Kelsie...I have not yet seen Unending...but people who have tell me they see it differently. Maybe this will make you feel better. I'm putting it in spoilers for those who don't want to know until it airs in the U.S.


Sam takes up the cello while trapped on the vessel. This is a very subtle nod to the Sam/Jack relationship. We know that Jack loves classical music. Taking up the cello was Sam's way of being as close to him as she could be. Perhaps she dreamed that once she solved the riddle that had the crew trapped, she'd be able to go home and show Jack what she had learned. And notice how sad she was when playing it. She thought of him as she played.

Also...Sam didn't hook up with any of the other men. That kiss from Cam was just a holiday peck, and Vala got one too...so romantically, they meant nothing...

As for being a bummer of an ending episode, I agree (from what I've read). But those who have seen it tell me it does no harm to the S/J Ship.

My friend, JenniferJF, wrote a remarkable piece of fan fiction that deals with Unending. It's so great I nominated it for a Stargate Fan Award this year. You can find this story, Marking Time, at: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3456353/1/

RamonaThePest
July 6th, 2007, 12:23 PM
THIS MIGHT BE A SPOILER FOR NORTH AMERICAN MEMBERS SO BEWARE ....

EPISODE 10 - 14 "THE SHROUD"


=====================================
I just saw this episode this evening (it was aired by Sky TV in Ireland on Jan 30th) and man, it is a complete bummer .... as a long standing Sam/Jack shipper, I was happy to believe with the hints we had been thrown that Sam and Jack had finally got it together.

But in this episode, Jack was back at the SGC, and even in the scenes where they were on their own, Sam called Jack "Sir" and (more worryingly) there was a definite lack of chemistry between them. There was nothing to even hint that they had anything but a strictly professional relationship.

What's going on here? The McKay marraige in the previous episode was a funny joke, but the Sam/Jack romance has always been one of the key components of the mix that made SG1 so special. Now that we are so close to the end, I would hope that the producers are going to do the right thing, and allow Sam and Jack to reach the logical conclusion of their relationship.

I hate to say this because I absolutely adore RDA, but a lot of the "ship" comes from subtleties that he and Amanda convey (since TPTB cut any dialogue that might offend anti-shippers)-- but RDA's timing seemed to be off for this episode -- even his usual banter with Daniel was way off. Of course, if they brought Jack back more fully in several movies, I'm sure he'd bounce back to our luvable Jack right away!

Bucky
July 6th, 2007, 12:38 PM
I hate to say this because I absolutely adore RDA, but a lot of the "ship" comes from subtleties that he and Amanda convey (since TPTB cut any dialogue that might offend anti-shippers)-- but RDA's timing seemed to be off for this episode -- even his usual banter with Daniel was way off. Of course, if they brought Jack back more fully in several movies, I'm sure he'd bounce back to our luvable Jack right away!

Yeah, I found him rather stiff, too. RDA himself said that he didn't "loosen up" enough before hand, so, alas. Too bad he more like the old Jack in the "Atlantis" episode(s) with Robert Picardo.

Well, there's always "Continuum."

Bucky

shippyangel
July 7th, 2007, 11:26 AM
sam and cam kissed?
when? o_o
Ps: sorry guys! >.< i'm new here! *blushes*

Nikki
July 8th, 2007, 08:23 AM
sam and cam kissed?
when? o_o
Ps: sorry guys! >.< i'm new here! *blushes*

No, not really. It was in 'Unending', which means it didn't happen anyway as the timeline was rewound. But in the episode, it was Christmas on the ship and Cam kissed Sam under the mistletoe and then kissed Vala immediately afterwards (at the time Vala was in a romantic relationship with Daniel). Both were friendly kisses and no romance implied. So don't worry! Everyone knows Sam belongs to Jack. ;)

shippyangel
July 18th, 2007, 01:52 PM
No, not really. It was in 'Unending', which means it didn't happen anyway as the timeline was rewound. But in the episode, it was Christmas on the ship and Cam kissed Sam under the mistletoe and then kissed Vala immediately afterwards (at the time Vala was in a romantic relationship with Daniel). Both were friendly kisses and no romance implied. So don't worry! Everyone knows Sam belongs to Jack. ;)

Thanks! xDD
You rock! I'm trying to download Unending from the web.

atfan
August 3rd, 2007, 07:56 AM
Good news on the shipper front. Go read Joe Mallozzi's blog and squee !!!
Warning major spoilers for Season four Atlantis To all of you Sam fans dying for a hint of what’s going on with Carter’s love life, you’ll have to wait until Trio for a not-so-subtle tip-off. Let the gang at SDJ begin their predictable hysterics…
*runs off to tell rest of shipper friends the good news*
:):):)

Here is the link to the blog http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/index.html

JackandSamAddict
August 4th, 2007, 05:43 PM
Good news on the shipper front. Go read Joe Mallozzi's blog and squee !!!
Warning major spoilers for Season four Atlantis To all of you Sam fans dying for a hint of what’s going on with Carter’s love life, you’ll have to wait until Trio for a not-so-subtle tip-off. Let the gang at SDJ begin their predictable hysterics…
*runs off to tell rest of shipper friends the good news*
:):):)

Here is the link to the blog http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/index.html

I am so excited about this news...I really hope this means that TPTB will stop playing around and tell us that Jack and Sam are together!

gater62
August 4th, 2007, 07:08 PM
I'm relatively new (back again) at GW and I hope someone can answer this for me: What is the difference between this thread and the J/S ship family thread? Just wondering...

dipsofjazz
August 4th, 2007, 07:23 PM
I'm relatively new (back again) at GW and I hope someone can answer this for me: What is the difference between this thread and the J/S ship family thread? Just wondering...

:D This is an old thread that keeps getting resurrected. :P

JackandSamAddict
August 4th, 2007, 08:50 PM
I'm relatively new (back again) at GW and I hope someone can answer this for me: What is the difference between this thread and the J/S ship family thread? Just wondering...

This is supposed to be discussion only, the other the Family ship thread is a more fluffy look at the ship...where we squee...a lot. I like it a lot better over there (no offense). That is MHO.

Mrs Caldwell
August 15th, 2007, 04:40 AM
Good news on the shipper front. Go read Joe Mallozzi's blog and squee !!!
Warning major spoilers for Season four Atlantis To all of you Sam fans dying for a hint of what’s going on with Carter’s love life, you’ll have to wait until Trio for a not-so-subtle tip-off. Let the gang at SDJ begin their predictable hysterics…
*runs off to tell rest of shipper friends the good news*
:):):)

Here is the link to the blog http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/index.html

Um, was just wondering, but what does he mean by "SDJ"?

StargateDanielJackson
August 15th, 2007, 12:01 PM
Yes, overall we are a positive group of fans that support each other through the negative. Hope everyone is having fun today after such a strange day yesterday. Love, kisses, and 5 stars.

Neelan_Liquor
August 15th, 2007, 05:44 PM
I must have missed the strangeness of yesterday (off in my own little world of thunk :p) but just to spread the positive vibes that I got today, I dropped of five more stars for Jack/Sam. ;) I used to ship 'em, so... what the hey. :D

*high fives the shippers in a world of bleh* :D

Terrah
August 16th, 2007, 04:10 PM
5 Stars for Sam and jack
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/Terrah/Stargate%20SG1/Sam%20Jack/graceframe.jpg

How could I forget to vote here?

sam_carter_is_cool
October 27th, 2007, 10:39 AM
why cant they be together? it would make the show better. but NO they dont get together never ever!!! :sam: :jack: = love for ever!!!
but in some episodes sam :sam: likes people like :daniel: daniel or even :mckay:. mckay!!! like come one sam pick one that you trully love and stay with them.

:( than be like that carter. go out with billlions of guys and hope jack sais its ok!!!
:samanime27:

atfan
February 11th, 2008, 10:10 AM
Kelsie...I have not yet seen Unending...but people who have tell me they see it differently. Maybe this will make you feel better. I'm putting it in spoilers for those who don't want to know until it airs in the U.S.


Sam takes up the cello while trapped on the vessel. This is a very subtle nod to the Sam/Jack relationship. We know that Jack loves classical music. Taking up the cello was Sam's way of being as close to him as she could be. Perhaps she dreamed that once she solved the riddle that had the crew trapped, she'd be able to go home and show Jack what she had learned. And notice how sad she was when playing it. She thought of him as she played.

Also...Sam didn't hook up with any of the other men. That kiss from Cam was just a holiday peck, and Vala got one too...so romantically, they meant nothing...

As for being a bummer of an ending episode, I agree (from what I've read). But those who have seen it tell me it does no harm to the S/J Ship.

My friend, JenniferJF, wrote a remarkable piece of fan fiction that deals with Unending. It's so great I nominated it for a Stargate Fan Award this year. You can find this story, Marking Time, at: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3456353/1/

I agree In fact you also have shipper music and the fact that for a long time Sam is portrayed as really sad and driven to get home she never gives up even after 50 years why work so hard unless you had something really great to go back for as for the Sam Tealc thing well I do think Jack would have wanted her to have someone if he couldn't be there and it is not overt you can see or not your choice but it is not present at first

trinity3
April 18th, 2008, 11:59 AM
I'm really looking forward to Continuum but frankly I've been so disappointed in the past (prime example) Trio, where TPTB hint at finally giving shippers at least a taste of what they want and then take it away. So I'm not allowing myself to expect any S/J resolution or acknowledgement from Continuum. I'm just planning to enjoy a great movie.:

sg-1fanintn
June 5th, 2008, 07:41 PM
I got a bit of a chuckle out of your comments, since Sam never went out on one date in the entire 10 years of the series - except Pete. There were certainly no "billions of guys", let alone more than the one. And as for Daniel and McKay, the important word in your comment is she "likes" Daniel and McKay. She "loves" Daniel like a brother, not like a lover. And she has a love/hate relationship with McKay - also more like a brother or cousin or some such thing, but certainly not as a "lover". Not understanding where you got such an idea that there was anything more than that from her to either of them. Other men have been attracted to her, and she may have been mildly attracted to them, but nothing ever came of those, and those guys all died. The only one she's ever really felt "love" for (besides Pete, and I'm not sure she really loved him, as much as she was in love with the idea of being in love with him) is Jack, even though she was never allowed to say it or express it. Apparently the reason Jack and Sam can't be "together" is because the producers and other powers that be won't let them be together, so we have to imagine them being together from the little bits of hints we've gotten along the way. The producers etc. are too afraid of offending the viewers that don't want any notion of romance between them touching their otherwise pristine TV series, but don't mind offending those of us who would like more hints of romance and togetherness.

Over the three years I have been here, there have been several attempts to start other S/J threads...but we always drift back to the S/J Ship Family. :)

JackandSamAddict
June 5th, 2008, 07:43 PM
Over the three years I have been here, there have been several attempts to start other S/J threads...but we always drift back to the S/J Ship Family. :)

Yes...and plus we can squee there...you can't squee here...:p

sg-1fanintn
June 5th, 2008, 08:05 PM
Yes...and plus we can squee there...you can't squee here...:p


WARNING: JackandSamAddict may squee without notice!!! :love:

WARNING: sg-1fanintn may squee without notice!!! :love:

JackandSamAddict
June 6th, 2008, 07:39 PM
WARNING: JackandSamAddict may squee without notice!!! :love:

WARNING: sg-1fanintn may squee without notice!!! :love:

Seriously...squee happens!:D:D:D

scapephile
June 8th, 2008, 01:22 PM
I'm really looking forward to Continuum but frankly I've been so disappointed in the past (prime example) Trio, where TPTB hint at finally giving shippers at least a taste of what they want and then take it away. So I'm not allowing myself to expect any S/J resolution or acknowledgement from Continuum. I'm just planning to enjoy a great movie.:


I agree with your plan. I had high hopes for SG1 to gives little nods to S/J and they for the most part ignored them.It always amazes me the writers of shows (especially scifi) think no one is interested in anything but cool cgi and explosions! Farscape is the rarity IMO.

Lizlove
June 8th, 2008, 03:32 PM
I agree with your plan. I had high hopes for SG1 to gives little nods to S/J and they for the most part ignored them.It always amazes me the writers of shows (especially scifi) think no one is interested in anything but cool cgi and explosions! Farscape is the rarity IMO.

Personally I think they just have a problem with romance because they're good at writing friendship.

scapephile
June 8th, 2008, 03:47 PM
There is a perception that relationships are boring hence the tendency to have the male lead Kirk women or have no relationships which can work but after a few years not realistic unless you show some friendship outside of the plot.Having them be at dinner (the whole team) or doing something which gets interrupted does work because we get a glimpse of real life for the characters. We know these characters spend most of their time working because of the nature of their jobs so having them be a bit discomforted away from work is very real and when the writers choose to they do it well.Listening to the commentaries they seem to think S/J kissing would bethe fix in some cases and the actord changed it to make it better like in Beneath the Surface.

sg-1fanintn
June 8th, 2008, 06:59 PM
There is a perception that relationships are boring hence the tendency to have the male lead Kirk women or have no relationships which can work but after a few years not realistic unless you show some friendship outside of the plot.Having them be at dinner (the whole team) or doing something which gets interrupted does work because we get a glimpse of real life for the characters. We know these characters spend most of their time working because of the nature of their jobs so having them be a bit discomforted away from work is very real and when the writers choose to they do it well.Listening to the commentaries they seem to think S/J kissing would bethe fix in some cases and the actord changed it to make it better like in Beneath the Surface.

But at the same time, they never Kirked either one of them throughout the series. Jack had three liaisons with women during the whole show: Kynthia (not long after he and Sam met) and Laira (just as S/J were beginning to confront the feelings growing between them) and Kerri. I still maintain he allowed himself to take comfort from Kerri to block out the pain of Sam and Pete. After all, he didn't start seeing her until after Sam accepted Pete's marriage proposal.

As for Sam, she had a flirtation with Narim, a close relationship (but not sex!!!) with Orlin...and her relationship with Pete. And we all know that she only allowed herself to become entangled with Pete because she was trying to move away from her feelings for Jack.

So...all through the show...they seemed to be slowly working toward an end...getting Sam and Jack together.

Then RDA and Michael Greenburg left as exec. producers...and the issue remains unconfirmed almost three years later.

Sigh...so what's the point of keeping them apart?

Just sayin'. :o

SamJackShipLover
June 9th, 2008, 08:55 AM
*agrees with Melissa*

VSS
June 9th, 2008, 01:27 PM
Hi guys. I've never posted on this thread before but I know some of you! ;)


Personally I think they just have a problem with romance because they're good at writing friendship.

I think they were good at writing S/J friendship before season 4. After season 4 the writers had a choice- if they wanted continued romantic undertones they couldn't let Sam and Jack be friends again, not like they were before because now they're self-conscious and therefore guarded around each other. For instance, Jack never calls her "Sam" again. The other choice was that they really could have left it all in the room and a lot of viewers expected that they would. But they didn't.

I guess it's also more evidence that the writers had a romantic relationship in mind for them all along, or else they ruined a good friendship for nothing. I personally think they're better writers than to let it slide, but it has been a very long time and axing the scene from Trio (yet leaving the Pitt/Clooney discussion) does make one wonder.


*agrees with Melissa*

I agree with Melissa, too!

Maybe the writers need to be shown that it's not that scary and will not trash the show or either character. So here's an example:

A little OT BSG:
From The Hub:
Adama steps from a raptor after resigning his commission and traveling through enemy space to find President Roslin.
Roslin: Bill. I love you.
Adama: It's about time. (Uh, does that sound like Jack, or what?)
They hug. Fans say "Awwww.." Credits roll.
Elapsed time- maybe 45 seconds.

Next episode: Adama regains his Admiralty in the face of impending doom for humanity.


There, now was that so hard? :)

Also, I just noticed the anti-shipper thread hasn't had a post in THREE MONTHS. Just sayin'.

Lizlove
June 9th, 2008, 01:52 PM
Hi guys. I've never posted on this thread before but I know some of you! ;)



I think they did before season 4. After season 4 they couldn't let Sam and Jack get together and couldn't let them be friends again either, not like they were before because now they're self-conscious and therefore guarded around each other. For instance, Jack never calls her "Sam" again. This is one of the reasons why they really do need to get together in the end, otherwise they ruined a good friendship for nothing.

I agree with Melissa, too!

Maybe the writers need to be shown that it's not that scary and will not trash the show or either character. So here's an example:

A little OT BSG:
From The Hub:
Adama steps from a raptor after resigning his commission and traveling through enemy space to find President Roslin.
Roslin: Bill. I love you.
Adama: It's about time. (Uh, does that sound like Jack, or what?)
They hug. Fans say "Awwww.." Credits roll.
Elapsed time- maybe 45 seconds.

Next episode: Adama regains his Admiralty in the face of impending doom for humanity.


There, now was that so hard? :)

It's not that it's hard, it's just that they think they will lose viewers if they put too much romance.
Look at Continuum: stargate fans are missing their favorite TV show and they have a movie; I understand that most of them don't want a precious minute being wasted on romance (although I do not agree with it)

By friendship I didn't mean between Sam and Jack but between Sam/Daniel, Jack/Daniel, Jack/T, Sam/T,...

My take on the whole relationship
Season 1 + 2: attraction (The Broca Devide), getting to know you, finding their place on the team, friendships developing (Solitudes, Secrets) ---> although Jack shows his emotions regarding Sam more visibly (Singularity, In The Line Of Duty)
Season 3 + 4: romantic feelings devoloping on Sam's side (A Hundred Days) + afterwards their admissions to each other (Divide and Conquer)
Season 5 + 6: realizing that that they're going too far, too fast --> 'moments' here in there like a head on a shoulder in Metamorphosis or a plea in Frozen (+ Paradise Lost)
Begin 7: getting more 'mature' about their feelings, perhaps more open to each other too; they know it's there but they can't do anything about it (Grace, Heroes, Death Knell)
End 7 + 8: being awkward because of Pete but Sam still showing emotions for Jack (The Lost City) and Jack for Sam (New Order) ---> afterwards it goes a bit down but the camaraderie seems to be there (It's Good To Be King, Sacrifices)

And then Jack/RDA left... :(

So yeah, I think now is the stage: finally giving into each other and having a relationship that has been growing for 7 years. Nothing can keep them apart anymore so it's only logical.

Hum, I don't really know where all that came from *scratches head*

VSS
June 9th, 2008, 11:13 PM
I don't think they are worried about losing viewers. If they were, they'd have given it up after season 4. The highest-rated eps were loaded with ship, I'm sure they noticed that!

You did nicely describe J & S romance well, but their friendship suffered for it. I just think about the first time Daniel "died" and how Jack acted when Daniel did die (and ascend) and the second time around he doesn't attempt to comfort Sam at all, though he could have told her what he knew. In Metamorphosis, Grace and Death Knell he's so deeply conflicted about being near her its painful to watch- but in ItLoD he's just plain worried. It makes for great angst though, and I don't think it could have been written any other way once the writers made the choice to continue their romance. That's how you know they did get together at the end of Threads- they finally look relaxed in each others presence. Well, that and that sexy voice I never heard Sam use before.;)

I agree that the camaraderie was coming back in season eight, primarily because they gave up on each other (or so we thought! Ha!). So now I would just like to see them happy to be around each other again. And they could do some CGI at the same time- like the sparks in Moebius or the wall in Divide and Conquer. Everybody wins!

scapephile
June 10th, 2008, 02:14 AM
I think RDA and Greenberg understood the importance of character continuity.Listening to the comments on the various commentaries all little "moments" are credited to them which I found interesting. They didn't want big scenes just nods to the fans that the feelings still existed. You get the idea that Brad Wright didn't get it from the tone he uses when when mentioning the reason for the scene is Rick thought it should be there.Then again I was in line at Comic Con a couple of years ago and these guys behind me thought all fans were united in wanting to see P90s used again in episodes.When I turned around with an incredulous look the one goes "or not". I was reminded of Chris Carter saying once people only watched the X Files to be scared! I think if the writers approached relationships as organic not plot points neither friendship or romance would be handled so clumsily.

VSS
June 10th, 2008, 06:27 AM
That's a very insightful comment. I think that kind of writing also would have avoided the negative feedback they got when they decided to make it a plot point, because fans who weren't necessarily in tune with the extreme subtlety of the relationship felt ambushed.

If they ever write anything significant for J & S in the future, some fans might feel that way again.

trinity3
June 10th, 2008, 07:03 AM
Personally I think they just have a problem with romance because they're good at writing friendship.

I think we could easily solve that problem for them by hiring some of the great fanfic witers out there, like Annerb (my favourite), and quite a few others that really have just filled the gap of s/j ship left by the writers.

Instead of redoing the Children of the Gods I think us shippers would much prefer a movie made just for us, with acknowledgement and confirmation of their feelings for each other. I don't need to see them 10 years into marriage with 2.5 kids. I just need a kiss (for starters) a real kiss, in this time line, that neither of them forget and a real discussion about what they feel for each other and what they do about it now.

(Sighs deeply) You guys got me going again. (Deeper sighs follow)

VSS
June 10th, 2008, 08:42 AM
<snip> I just need a kiss (for starters) a real kiss, in this time line, that neither of them forget and a real discussion about what they feel for each other and what they do about it now.

(Sighs deeply) You guys got me going again. (Deeper sighs follow)

That I'd love to see. A real discussion- after all, they're such great conversationalists, aren't they? We could spend the next year trying to decipher what they really meant.

That's why there has to be a real-time kiss, which really doesn't leave a whole lot of room for interpretation.

madaline_7
June 10th, 2008, 08:50 AM
That I'd love to see. A real discussion- after all, they're such great conversationalists, aren't they? We could spend the next year trying to decipher what they really meant.

That's why there has to be a real-time kiss, which really doesn't leave a whole lot of room for interpretation.


That is honestly all I am asking for. A kiss... a real kiss in this timeline. *sigh*

scapephile
June 10th, 2008, 05:26 PM
Waking up in bed together when the SGC calls naked would do it for me ;)

Aurora1101
June 10th, 2008, 05:31 PM
Waking up in bed together when the SGC calls naked would do it for me ;)

That works for me too ;)

VSS
June 11th, 2008, 02:57 AM
Waking up in bed together when the SGC calls naked would do it for me ;)

Uh no...
I think Sam and Jack deserve a better scene than a remake of Kerry and Jack.

I'm actually starting to wish the series had ended with Threads because it really looked like they'd ended up together (I'm not much of a S9,10 or Atlantis fan). With all the time that has gone by since then, there should have been more development of this story arc, given its importance to the characters involved. I think the hints are nice and I realize the difficulty of moving it along given Jack's rare appearances, but the lack of attention to the story makes me think one of two things is going on: The relationship isn't important to the actors/writers/producers or there isn't a relationship anymore, at least not in the Stargate canon. I used to think it was the former, but now I am not so sure.

Regarding Continuum Given what we know about AT Jack, I'll be happy if the movie doesn't sink the ship.

On the other hand, their relationship has languished for years before and survived the whole Pete era, so I guess there's hope for something good to come of it in the end. If I can wait that long.;)

VSS
June 11th, 2008, 03:14 AM
I forgot to add that over at the Sam and Jack Family Ship Thread, they are planning to discuss Message in a Bottle at 4pm EDT.

trinity3
June 11th, 2008, 05:36 AM
[QUOTE=VSS;8389306]Uh no...
I think Sam and Jack deserve a better scene than a remake of Kerry and Jack.

I'm actually starting to wish the series had ended with Threads because it really looked like they'd ended up together (I'm not much of a S9,10 or Atlantis fan).

I completely agree with you on that one and after TRIO decided it was never going to happen so i would just stop hoping and stop being disappointed. But once a s/j shipper always an s/j shipper I guess 'cause here I am again. Hoping.

Oh! And I did say a kiss would do it for me for starters. Something that catches them both by surprise by its tenderness and then intensity causing them not to be able to 'leave it in the room' anymore. Woo Hoo!:rolleyes:

(Runs off to find appropriate fanfic)

madaline_7
June 11th, 2008, 06:31 AM
Even my husband... who laughs at me all the time about this says that they need some sort of... answer about Jack and Sam. A real answer.

Actually... I think he is more shippy than I am at times. He is the one that pointed out Jack's picture in Reunion to me.

SamJackShipLover
June 11th, 2008, 09:31 AM
I completely agree with you on that one and after TRIO decided it was never going to happen so i would just stop hoping and stop being disappointed. But once a s/j shipper always an s/j shipper I guess 'cause here I am again. Hoping.

Oh! And I did say a kiss would do it for me for starters. Something that catches them both by surprise by its tenderness and then intensity causing them not to be able to 'leave it in the room' anymore. Woo Hoo!:rolleyes:

(Runs off to find appropriate fanfic)
Ohhh, I agree too. I just can't bring myself to watch S9 or 10, or the AoT. I just want to KNOW they're together and then I would enjoy it so much more.

What does it take to let us know?? 1 minute would be enough. Geez.

Lizlove
June 11th, 2008, 01:09 PM
Ohhh, I agree too. I just can't bring myself to watch S9 or 10, or the AoT. I just want to KNOW they're together and then I would enjoy it so much more.

What does it take to let us know?? 1 minute would be enough. Geez.
Ah you know, being vague is just so cool :rolleyes:

At least we would have had something in TRIO if they haden't cut the scene. Normally it was supposed to be there so it does mean they're together. Otherwise they wouldn't have written the scene to begin with!

scapephile
June 12th, 2008, 02:19 AM
Can someone refresh my memory of the cut scene? Also what ep had Sam and Keller discussing personal stuff(Sam kind of uncomfortable) and Keller looking at a picture in her(Sam's) quarters?

silly sally
June 12th, 2008, 02:27 AM
Can someone refresh my memory of the cut scene? Also what ep had Sam and Keller discussing personal stuff(Sam kind of uncomfortable) and Keller looking at a picture in her(Sam's) quarters?

They're 2 distinct episodes
'Reunion' 403 - Sam's unpacking and we get a glimpse of this picture


http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm41/sillysally1978/reunion0231-1.jpg


'Trio' 416
cut scene


A little chat between Carter and Keller as they are knotting up that rope:

Carter: So…you seeing anyone?

Keller: What?

Carter: Around the base, you seeing anyone?

Keller: I dunno…I had a moment with - with this…guy. He’s not exactly easy to read so…I guess the short answer is “no”. You?

Carter: Well, I’m the boss, so I can’t really…

Keller: Right Anyone back home?

Carter: Uhm…

Keller: Un-huh, I thought so. Give it up.

Carter: Well, it’s complicated.

Keller: Show me a relationship that isn’t.

Carter: He’s in Washington…I’m here.

Keller: Ouch. Long distance relationship.

Carter: He’s going to retire soon, so maybe -

Keller: Really! Retire? So…an older man, huh?

Carter: Not that much older.

Keller: Washington, older man…is he like a Senator or something? Someone famous? Would I know him?

Carter: Probably not.


and yes I have it saved on my lappy :D

Egle01
June 12th, 2008, 08:06 AM
They're 2 distinct episodes
'Reunion' 403 - Sam's unpacking and we get a glimpse of this picture


http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm41/sillysally1978/reunion0231-1.jpg


'Trio' 416
cut scene


A little chat between Carter and Keller as they are knotting up that rope:

Carter: So…you seeing anyone?

Keller: What?

Carter: Around the base, you seeing anyone?

Keller: I dunno…I had a moment with - with this…guy. He’s not exactly easy to read so…I guess the short answer is “no”. You?

Carter: Well, I’m the boss, so I can’t really…

Keller: Right Anyone back home?

Carter: Uhm…

Keller: Un-huh, I thought so. Give it up.

Carter: Well, it’s complicated.

Keller: Show me a relationship that isn’t.

Carter: He’s in Washington…I’m here.

Keller: Ouch. Long distance relationship.

Carter: He’s going to retire soon, so maybe -

Keller: Really! Retire? So…an older man, huh?

Carter: Not that much older.

Keller: Washington, older man…is he like a Senator or something? Someone famous? Would I know him?

Carter: Probably not.


and yes I have it saved on my lappy :D

Don't forget THIS (http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii114/Egle01/SamdeskAtl_3.jpg). And thanks for posting the dialog, I managed to lose it.

Aurora1101
June 12th, 2008, 08:55 AM
Uh no...
I think Sam and Jack deserve a better scene than a remake of Kerry and Jack.

I'm actually starting to wish the series had ended with Threads because it really looked like they'd ended up together (I'm not much of a S9,10 or Atlantis fan). With all the time that has gone by since then, there should have been more development of this story arc, given its importance to the characters involved. I think the hints are nice and I realize the difficulty of moving it along given Jack's rare appearances, but the lack of attention to the story makes me think one of two things is going on: The relationship isn't important to the actors/writers/producers or there isn't a relationship anymore, at least not in the Stargate canon. I used to think it was the former, but now I am not so sure.

Regarding Continuum Given what we know about AT Jack, I'll be happy if the movie doesn't sink the ship.

On the other hand, their relationship has languished for years before and survived the whole Pete era, so I guess there's hope for something good to come of it in the end. If I can wait that long.;)

VSS, I didn't even think of the Jack and Kerry scene in regards to that question. Thanks for ruining that scenario for me now :P

You have a point about Threads. We may have been better off just letting it end there after all.

madaline_7
June 12th, 2008, 09:02 AM
They're 2 distinct episodes
'Reunion' 403 - Sam's unpacking and we get a glimpse of this picture


http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm41/sillysally1978/reunion0231-1.jpg


'Trio' 416
cut scene


A little chat between Carter and Keller as they are knotting up that rope:

Carter: So…you seeing anyone?

Keller: What?

Carter: Around the base, you seeing anyone?

Keller: I dunno…I had a moment with - with this…guy. He’s not exactly easy to read so…I guess the short answer is “no”. You?

Carter: Well, I’m the boss, so I can’t really…

Keller: Right Anyone back home?

Carter: Uhm…

Keller: Un-huh, I thought so. Give it up.

Carter: Well, it’s complicated.

Keller: Show me a relationship that isn’t.

Carter: He’s in Washington…I’m here.

Keller: Ouch. Long distance relationship.

Carter: He’s going to retire soon, so maybe -

Keller: Really! Retire? So…an older man, huh?

Carter: Not that much older.

Keller: Washington, older man…is he like a Senator or something? Someone famous? Would I know him?

Carter: Probably not.


and yes I have it saved on my lappy :D


Yea! Thanks for posting that. I'm all fluffy now....

SamJackShipLover
June 12th, 2008, 09:04 AM
Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, reading all that made me :D :D

scapephile
June 12th, 2008, 02:45 PM
Was this filmed? I d/l the ep and sure remember it.I am wondering if it is like Threads---thought I was going crazy imagining a scene which was on the replacement dvd<G>


Yea! Thanks for posting that. I'm all fluffy now....

Lizlove
June 12th, 2008, 03:50 PM
Was this filmed? I d/l the ep and sure remember it.I am wondering if it is like Threads---thought I was going crazy imagining a scene which was on the replacement dvd<G>
I don't think it was filmed; otherwise JM would have put a video on his blog. But I'm not certain...
I do know there's only 1 version of the episode.

I think there'll be info about the scene in the S4 bonus ;)

madaline_7
June 12th, 2008, 04:21 PM
I don't think it was filmed; otherwise JM would have put a video on his blog. But I'm not certain...
I do know there's only 1 version of the episode.

I think there'll be info about the scene in the S4 bonus ;)

You would certainly hope so! (and by you, I mean all of us, and by hope so, I mean there better be!)

silly sally
June 12th, 2008, 07:09 PM
It was filmed, JM said it would be on the S4 DVD...

Lizlove
June 13th, 2008, 03:27 AM
It was filmed, JM said it would be on the S4 DVD...

Cool, so I did hear it somewhere. Was beginning to think I had dreamed it ;)

madaline_7
June 13th, 2008, 05:51 AM
It was filmed, JM said it would be on the S4 DVD...

:jack_new_anime07: YEA!! :jack_new_anime07:

VSS
June 13th, 2008, 06:03 AM
I just happened to see if those DVDs are out yet and I guess they're not. But I looked at the contents and there's no mention of a special feature of any kind, not cut scenes or interviews. I have no idea if that kind of thing usually doesn't get into the product content description or not.:confused:

This was on Amazon.

gater62
June 13th, 2008, 05:12 PM
I just happened to see if those DVDs are out yet and I guess they're not. But I looked at the contents and there's no mention of a special feature of any kind, not cut scenes or interviews. I have no idea if that kind of thing usually doesn't get into the product content description or not.:confused:

This was on Amazon.

Do they put that information on the content description? I also read the cut Trio scene would be included in the extras.

scapephile
June 14th, 2008, 05:22 AM
I don't think they list the details always but a friend said that was to be included.I am guessing with the season 8 messup they learned their lesson!

sg-1fanintn
June 17th, 2008, 07:08 PM
I don't think they list the details always but a friend said that was to be included.I am guessing with the season 8 messup they learned their lesson!

JM said it would be included. I have my fingers crossed.

UhSir
June 18th, 2008, 08:02 AM
VSS, I didn't even think of the Jack and Kerry scene in regards to that question. Thanks for ruining that scenario for me now :P

You have a point about Threads. We may have been better off just letting it end there after all.

No, no, no, no, no! Leaving it at Threads/Moebius is not the answer. There wasn't any confirmation there. Maybe if Daniel and Teal'c hadn't shown up... Maybe. I doubt it though. And they did show up so... Confirmation. Got. There. No!

Oh, and I'm part of the group that does not want to see confirmation a la Sam/Pete or Jack/Kerri. No thanks. Sam and Jack deserve better than a crude slap-in-the-face showing of sex. (PG as they were. Although that wrestling match... So glad I didn't have a kid to explain that too.) Besides, sex does not confirm that a relationship exists.

So what would do it for me? The L-word. From Sam. Getting it from Jack is easy. He's so obviously head-over-heels in love with her and, in my mind, said it already in Divide and Conquer (and every time he gazes at her too). To hear it from Sam, spoken directly to Jack, would be true confirmation.
:love:

atfan
June 18th, 2008, 09:42 AM
No, no, no, no, no! Leaving it at Threads/Moebius is not the answer. There wasn't any confirmation there. Maybe if Daniel and Teal'c hadn't shown up... Maybe. I doubt it though. And they did show up so... Confirmation. Got. There. No!

Oh, and I'm part of the group that does not want to see confirmation a la Sam/Pete or Jack/Kerri. No thanks. Sam and Jack deserve better than a crude slap-in-the-face showing of sex. (PG as they were. Although that wrestling match... So glad I didn't have a kid to explain that too.) Besides, sex does not confirm that a relationship exists.

So what would do it for me? The L-word. From Sam. Getting it from Jack is easy. He's so obviously head-over-heels in love with her and, in my mind, said it already in Divide and Conquer (and every time he gazes at her too). To hear it from Sam, spoken directly to Jack, would be true confirmation.
:love:

I'd never thought of the bedroom scene like that but you are right. I would settle for seeing Sam putting a ring on her dogtags or saying to Jack, "See you at home"anything really. JM did mention a nice moment for the shippers what I don't want is AU anything kisses or otherwise implied although from the spoilers that won't be an issue. Major Continuum Spoiler ahead Still okay knowing click on the final tag Sam the astronaut is dead in the new timeline maybe she was married to Jack as well?

UhSir
June 18th, 2008, 01:34 PM
I can't look at the spoilers, I'm staying spoiler-free. *slaps hand away from button*
And I stay away from the JM blog thing as well.
But my fingers are crossed that there will be something in the movie or maybe in the next season of SGA. Sam is leaving Atlantis, right? So there's no reason why they can't have confirmation there if it's not in the movie. I do really hope that it's not just a ring on Sam's finger and more concrete like Sam and Jack verbalizing to each other. Well, I'll keep waiting. Calmly. Faithfully. *sighs*

Aurora1101
June 18th, 2008, 02:40 PM
No, no, no, no, no! Leaving it at Threads/Moebius is not the answer. There wasn't any confirmation there. Maybe if Daniel and Teal'c hadn't shown up... Maybe. I doubt it though. And they did show up so... Confirmation. Got. There. No!

Oh, and I'm part of the group that does not want to see confirmation a la Sam/Pete or Jack/Kerri. No thanks. Sam and Jack deserve better than a crude slap-in-the-face showing of sex. (PG as they were. Although that wrestling match... So glad I didn't have a kid to explain that too.) Besides, sex does not confirm that a relationship exists.

So what would do it for me? The L-word. From Sam. Getting it from Jack is easy. He's so obviously head-over-heels in love with her and, in my mind, said it already in Divide and Conquer (and every time he gazes at her too). To hear it from Sam, spoken directly to Jack, would be true confirmation.
:love:

I agree with you. Truly. I'd love to hear that word actually spoken between the two of them. However, I'm of the opinion lately that it's just never gonna happen at this point, which makes me go back to what I originally said -it would have been better if it ended with Threads.

I truly love this ship but lately my ship mojo has been on empty. IMO, it seems like in TPTB's minds anyway, that this ship has sailed and they don't want to be bothered with having any type of confirmation.

I've been avoiding the Continuum spoilers too (and doing a darn good job, I might add ;)) and trying to keep the slimmest hope for some sort of confirmation. I guess in a few week's time, we know for sure either way. I just hope that I'm not let down again....

sg-1fanintn
June 18th, 2008, 04:55 PM
So what would do it for me? The L-word. From Sam. Getting it from Jack is easy. He's so obviously head-over-heels in love with her and, in my mind, said it already in Divide and Conquer (and every time he gazes at her too). To hear it from Sam, spoken directly to Jack, would be true confirmation.
:love:

And even though I agree with you 100%...right after she says it...I'd still love to see his face spread into that lopsided Jack grin and hear him say, "Yeah...me too," before pulling her in for a hug and a


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/newsgoddess/Mala/Mala-SJ_hotkiss.gif Big Honkin' Kiss!!!!! http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/newsgoddess/Mala/Mala-SJ_hotkiss.gif

* Smilie by Mala

madaline_7
June 19th, 2008, 06:24 AM
And even though I agree with you 100%...right after she says it...I'd still love to see his face spread into that lopsided Jack grin and hear him say, "Yeah...me too," before pulling her in for a hug and a


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/newsgoddess/Mala/Mala-SJ_hotkiss.gif Big Honkin' Kiss!!!!! http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/newsgoddess/Mala/Mala-SJ_hotkiss.gif

* Smilie by Mala


She gets some pretty "Oh I love him" grins when she talks to him too.

Although I do agree with the rest of you guys about something coming from her... although I have to say, I think the last strech of S8 gave us a lot...

I'm staying away from spoilers too.... I'm upset that I have to wait until later on the day it comes out to get it. :o

SamJackShipLover
June 19th, 2008, 07:33 AM
The L-word .... *sigh* that would be wonderful :love:

But I agree, I don't think we're getting any real confirmation anymore and then it would almost be better to be left with Threads. Fishing and all.

UhSir
June 19th, 2008, 08:38 AM
And even though I agree with you 100%...right after she says it...I'd still love to see his face spread into that lopsided Jack grin and hear him say, "Yeah...me too," before pulling her in for a hug and a


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And then the wonderful neck-nuzzle.
And then Sam gets wide-eyed and yelps, "Jack!" and pushes him slightly away.
And Jack while looking at her neck then says, "Oops, that left a mark."
And he gives her that puppy-dog look and whispers, "Sorry."
:love:

sg-1fanintn
June 19th, 2008, 07:46 PM
And then the wonderful neck-nuzzle.
And then Sam gets wide-eyed and yelps, "Jack!" and pushes him slightly away.
And Jack while looking at her neck then says, "Oops, that left a mark."
And he gives her that puppy-dog look and whispers, "Sorry."
:love:

LOL!!! I would pay money to see that!!!

BTW:


:love: Congratulations, UhSir, on 800 posts!!! :love:

trinity3
June 20th, 2008, 09:07 AM
JM did mention a nice moment for the shippers what I don't want is AU anything kisses or otherwise implied although from the spoilers that won't be an issue.

I haven't been as good in keeping away from the spoilers, cause, well, a girl needs to know. I haven't been on the blog though, still hurting from the 'Trio' promise.

I'm so with you in the AU thing. I mean it kept us sane in the past, like the Grace kiss, the WoO kiss, the Moebius kiss, the There But For The Grace of God engagement / hug etc. but now, now we need something in our universe, now! :weiranime22: Did I say Now? :weiranime33:

Lizlove
June 20th, 2008, 01:16 PM
I haven't been as good in keeping away from the spoilers, cause, well, a girl needs to know. I haven't been on the blog though, still hurting from the 'Trio' promise.

I'm so with you in the AU thing. I mean it kept us sane in the past, like the Grace kiss, the WoO kiss, the Moebius kiss, the There But For The Grace of God engagement / hug etc. but now, now we need something in our universe, now! :weiranime22: Did I say Now? :weiranime33:

Not to be annoying or anything but the Grace and WoO kiss? That was in our universe :rolleyes:

hedwig
June 20th, 2008, 08:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by UhSir
And then the wonderful neck-nuzzle.
And then Sam gets wide-eyed and yelps, "Jack!" and pushes him slightly away.
And Jack while looking at her neck then says, "Oops, that left a mark."
And he gives her that puppy-dog look and whispers, "Sorry."


LOL!!! I would pay money to see that!!!

Me too! Pay money to see that scene, that is! :D I just laughed right out loud when I read it. It's funny. It's cute. It's them! And, of course, he's sooo not sorry! :D